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Christian Tietze

@publicvoit +1 in general. I believe your recommendation is phrased wrong, though.

Emacs and org-mode lock you in just like Markdown + Obsidian do.

It's waaaaaay less likely you'll be screwed, though, because Emacs is free software.

But that's not the same argument.

While Emacs is maintained, you can get the editor to run on your operating system. If by chance it dies off, you can tweak the source yourself, but for regular Jane and Joe that's the same as company goes bancrupt.

12 Jul 2023 at 11:19 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.social
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Karl Voit :emacs: :orgmode:

@ctietze 100% agree!

I did not prase it as good as you but meant the same thing.

Obsidian: for people who are not able to learn Emacs Org-mode for reasons. 👍 (we may differ on the set of valid reasons or their priority)

If you are in a position of being able to learn such a system (which is easer than most people suggest), Emacs has its advantages over Obsidian.

And: There can't be any bancruptcy of Emacs. Therefore, there is zero lock-in effect except in your brain, of course. 😉

12 Jul 2023 at 12:06 | Open on graz.social
Christian Tietze

@publicvoit Essentially what @jbaty said social.lol/@jbaty/110701060952

It's still lock-in in the end. And it's factually wrong to say it isn't. Just as there *can* be Emacs bancruptcy. -- Of course you don't mean it in a strict, literal sense, but a colloquial one.

I have no issues parsing this :)

But the aftertaste is one of misleading rhetoric tricks that you do not need.

There's no Emacs+org supremacy over Obsidian+Markdown on this (!) level of analysis.

But there's #Lindy: Do pick old tools 👍

@publicvoit Essentially what @jbaty said social.lol/@jbaty/110701060952

It's still lock-in in the end. And it's factually wrong to say it isn't. Just as there *can* be Emacs bancruptcy. -- Of course you don't mean it in a strict, literal sense, but a colloquial one.

I have no issues parsing this :)

12 Jul 2023 at 12:20 | Open on mastodon.social
Christian Tietze

@publicvoit Sorry this all sounds way too negative!

It's this: your warning against hype is accurate, and Emacs + org is also a great recommendation if longevity is important.

By claiming there's no lock-in, your position gets weaker (easier to topple) because your argument is stronger (more specific). So you make your point more vulnerable without need, because what's left is still ace 👍

12 Jul 2023 at 12:36 | Open on mastodon.social
Jack Baty

@ctietze @publicvoit Yeah, putting time, energy, and content in Org-mode via Emacs is totally a form of lock in. It's maybe more benevolent than other kinds of lock-in, but you're still "stuck" with Emacs and some specifically-formatted "plain?" text .org files.

I happen to love and prefer Emacs and those weird .org files, though! 😆

But really, if any of them went away, I'd just take a few days and move to something else. It would hurt, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

12 Jul 2023 at 12:15 | Open on social.lol
laotang

@jbaty @ctietze @publicvoit Org-roam might even be a "somewhat real" lock-in, as nodes and id-links might not be that easily converted to something else. It is not just:

find ./ -iname "*.org" -type f -exec sh -c 'pandoc "${0}" -o "${0%}.MD"' {} \;

😉

(everything else I completely agree with)

13 Jul 2023 at 7:22 | Open on mastodon.social
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