Gregory's Server@Anya_Adora @JessTheUnstill It’s not the terms trans woman or trans man that are the problem — it’s when they’re purposely joined together as one word (ie “transwoman” or “transman”) that is the issue. Those compound words were designed to other us as something other than “real” men or women, and were primarily used by TERFs until they just kinda leaked into common usage (much to the dismay of a hell of a lot of us who have been trying to point this out for years.)
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@Anya_Adora @JessTheUnstill Nobody should be using “transwoman” or “transman” on purpose — those combination words come from TERFs as a way to other us. The correct way to write them would be “trans woman” or “trans man” (ie as two separate words.) @turboquokka @JessTheUnstill OP says 'allies and even trans people may use both trans woman and transwoman' So apparently you are wrong according to this logic. @turboquokka @JessTheUnstill Tbh this all makes me think this entire discussion just makes us look bad. We want and need allies and acceptance and all of this just works against that. I'm not down with whatever this is. Feel free to carry on and confuse cis and other trans folks who are allies or may become one. Feel free to push them away with this lack of logic and calling them out as wrong while admitting they aren't wrong.  I'm not having this fight with you anymore. You are free to do and say whatever you like. Have a good evening.  @Anya_Adora saying something happens is not the same as endorsing it. Allies and even trans people sometimes say transphobic things on accident. So it's good to educate on why it's transphobic. @Anya_Adora are you saying that wanting to be known as trans disqualifies someone from being a woman? Here, let me break it down for you: @Anya_Adora if by "women 11 months out of the year until pride month comes along" you mean "don't tell people they're trans except for pride month but tell people they're women," those women are still women during pride month... if you mean people who detransition for pride month or AFAB trans people who detransition for the rest of the year, idk how they're relevant to this conversation @briellebouquet @raphaelmorgan Some trans fems use the word 'Tranny' to describe themselves, even here, openly, in jest. If you want to continue this then tell me how that's ok and not having a space between two words is somehow the end of the world for us. Because apparently some folks think i'm a bigot for not caring about the space which was made clear in this thread. Let's move on to a real slur. @briellebouquet @raphaelmorgan Also, let me make this very clear. None of you or any trans person anywhere gets to decide my 'credentials' as a trans person. Ever. @Anya_Adora @briellebouquet she was literally saying that we weren't trying to do that... are you just the type of person who scans posts for a few words that you can take out of context so that you can attack other trans people? Please untag me from future conversation because I am *done* with that sort of behavior along with the bootlicking @Anya_Adora @raphaelmorgan more importantly, accepting compromise on our right to label ourselves because we dont want to push cis people away feels cowardly and adjacent to cis gays who join the LGB alliance bc they think trans people make gay rights harder to sell to cishets. we are who we are. im not trying to buy acceptance from the cishets by compromising who i am or how im seen for public relations. i want respect and i want my womanhood recognized, now. @briellebouquet @raphaelmorgan That's fine, feel however you wish. I just wish you could understand that your womanhood isn't defined by them. You are obviously their slave because a space between two words or not matters so much it can destroy your dignity. To me that's problematic and i refuse to let others decide who i am or what i am. But you all do you and fight the world over a space between words to maintain your dignity. |
@turboquokka @JessTheUnstill ??? Really?
Because to me it seems obvious that it's more of the term regardless how it's separated or not.
Some people dislike it either way because they are focused on passing and it might be dysphoria inducing.
Others are binary post-transition and don't want to acknowledge they are trans under any circumstance as well, that's a small portion but i've come across that in my nearly 2 decades of being out as trans.
I'm not going to jump a trans person or cis person's shit if they are using it either way to ask a question respectfully or describe us in the context of someone being trans.
Personally i can understand how this can be problematic but i fail to see how separating the words or not solves the problem.
There are still going to be trans folks that want to be referred to as nothing other than male or female and reject any wording that labels them as trans at all.
@turboquokka @JessTheUnstill ??? Really?
Because to me it seems obvious that it's more of the term regardless how it's separated or not.
Some people dislike it either way because they are focused on passing and it might be dysphoria inducing.
Others are binary post-transition and don't want to acknowledge they are trans under any circumstance as well, that's a small portion but i've come across that in my nearly 2 decades of being out as trans.