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Damiano Gerli

I'll take "things that didn't age well" for 500$

Article in a 1999 magazine describing Google as a "pure search engine, no weather no news feed, no sponsors, no ads, no distractions".
96 comments
SnoopJ

@dilmandila @damianogerli it's still there. Nobody uses it because it's useless on the modern web, but it's still there

Venykrid

@SnoopJ @dilmandila @damianogerli
Are you sure? It didn't show for me, I'm on my phone but tried switching to desktop mode to check

Evannakita

@SnoopJ @dilmandila @damianogerli The button is there, but it doesn’t serve the same function! In fact, nobody *can* use it, because the button disappears as soon as you start typing into the search bar. You can only click it if the search bar is empty, and it takes you to a random Easter egg.

(At least, I think that’s how it was last time I used Google, but it’s been a while.)

Linuxduck (they/them)

@damianogerli@mastodon.social lololol... Aww damn, miss the old internet... I miss the hand crafted shitty fan websites hosted on strangers home servers... It was so fun and new

Santiago Lema :amiga:

@damianogerli @BlackAzizAnansi Reward them with a visit and don’t ask how they could pay for all the hardware, bandwidth and engineering to bring all this for free to you.

Hugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷

@santiago I still use Google, but I also have my salt shaker beside me. Ploughing through the AI to find what I went to look for is a bit like #StorageWars these days.@damianogerli @BlackAzizAnansi

Miah Johnson

@damianogerli For that classic Google experience, I've been using Qwant. Which I'm sure is only a matter of time away from becoming Google but I'm going to enjoy it until then.

Roadskater, Ph.D.

@miah @damianogerli I've been working in my office the last few hours, with one monitor showing a webserver access_log scrolling by. A bot identifying itself as Qwant seems to be dumber than a sack of rocks. There are three individual static webpages that it has requested a total of 13k times today.

Miah Johnson

@roadskater @damianogerli I can't speak to their crawler, but their search results aren't super annoying =)

Davide Madrisan

@roadskater

Can you tell me more about this issue please?
I can open a bug to my colleagues of the search team.

jtonline

@esther @damianogerli that was the first clue, hiding in plain sight!

Bone Daddy

@damianogerli this is from one of those internet yellow pages, right?

Nebulous Menace (Sandy B.)

@damianogerli *nods angrily* I may add this to my "Things I say a lot" list, but the two founders still have 51% of the voting shares in Google. Page and Brin could stop this at any time.

Lot⁴⁹

@damianogerli Lol: "portal litter" sounds like something you put in the cat box.

Blake Leonard

@12thRITS @damianogerli observe this quick and dirty photoshop i was inspired to do

Lawler Hix :verified:

@damianogerli remember when their motto was "Don't be evil"?

Alan Martello

@damianogerli @EricLawton It’s the venture capitalist roadmap (Facebook, Google, Uber, etc etc etc):

Start off being cheap/free
Get lots of users
Use number of users to go public
Use money from going public to subsidize getting more users longer
Try to become a monopoly, settle for oligopoly
Degrade the user experience / increase user costs
Assume 20% users will leave
Take money from the 80% who are left all day long.

Michael

@amart @damianogerli @EricLawton Corey Doctorow (@pluralistic) has coined “enshittification” for this lifecycle where benefits first flow from VC to consumer then VC to advertiser (or other counterparty) then from everyone back to VC by locking in users then making the service as bad as possible without pushing them away.

pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/pot

Mark Crocker

@damianogerli yep, I used to be a big fan of #Google when they were still being hosted at Stanford and had a URL with a .edu TLD.

Last week, I did a #GoogleSearch for the first time in many months, and didn't get any better results than #DuckDuckGo or #StartPage , so I still can't find that old article on using #Ansible inside a #Dockerfile in an unobtrusive way 😭

Tonya Canning

@mcrocker @damianogerli I remember learning about the new, cool search engine Google in a print copy of PC Magazine. Those were the days.

Martin Be

@damianogerli And takes only 24 years to scummbaged themselves totally. 🤣
#FuckGoogle

Karl Habermas

@damianogerli I had so much fun with Alta Vista. It almost made up for the stagnation of Gopher.

Kevin Karhan :verified:

@damianogerli well, if you want that same experience: Consider frogfind.com by @ActionRetro ...

It literally works with everything!

Damiano Gerli

@kkarhan @ActionRetro that's one very plain experience for sure, it might also work on a Commodore 64

noplasticshower

@damianogerli anybody remember excite? It was between alta vista and Google and was great for tiny web

Hutch

@noplasticshower
I equate Excite with Lycos. Used HotBot for awhile.
@damianogerli

David Brent 📚

@hutchinsonmini @noplasticshower @damianogerli I had links to Excite and Lycos on the website I created for a class in college. Those were the days!

Julie Smith

@damianogerli started innocuously... ended insidiously 🥴🤣💝

ocdtrekkie

@damianogerli If only we could once again be as blissfully naive and stupid as we were in 1999.

Damiano Gerli

@ocdtrekkie when there is little money to be made, evil is not as strong

Christoph

@damianogerli I think there are some things in the original google paper which also didn't age well.

infolab.stanford.edu/pub/paper

For example the section about "Advertising and Mixed Motives" with quotes like "The goals of
the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users" or "[...] we believe the issue of advertising causes enough mixed incentives that it is crucial to have a
competitive search engine that is transparent and in the academic realm."

@damianogerli I think there are some things in the original google paper which also didn't age well.

infolab.stanford.edu/pub/paper

For example the section about "Advertising and Mixed Motives" with quotes like "The goals of
the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users" or "[...] we believe the issue of advertising causes enough mixed incentives that it is crucial to have a

Raphael

@damianogerli It's sad to think that that claim apparently used to be true.

1 tripod in 3 trenchcoats

@damianogerli this definitely was one of the main selling points for Google back in the 90s. Stuff like Yahoo, Lycos, and Altavista was overloaded with stuff, so Google was a legitimate breath of fresh air.

Trying to find a working search engine for a while was a bit like a lifestyle choice.

Damiano Gerli

@kyonshi and now... your lifestyle determines your deathstyle.

(St. Anger quote feels appropriate)

Sliotar

@damianogerli

Remember when you could use YouTube without having to watch an ad every 3 minutes?

Damiano Gerli

@Sliotar I'm scared by them trying to threaten those using ad block

Dec.tar.bz2

@Sliotar @damianogerli
I've had mid-roll ads thrown at me after less than 60 seconds.

Jurjen1973

@damianogerli Now it is all what they advertised but then reversed.

keet

@damianogerli It is amazing to see how the company that once revolutionized search engines to be the ones to completely destroy the experience.

Damiano Gerli

@keet the writing was on the wall but we ignored it

caitp

@damianogerli i dont remember it being any better or faster than altavista, am I wrong?

adam king

@caitp @damianogerli my memory is that google was a lot better — at least by the time i tried it in maybe 2000ish. altavista was good, but google quickly blew em out of the water

KatyS

@damianogerli Remember their motto was “Don’t be Evil “?

C0ppertop

@damianogerli
Ah, the wild optimism of youth, runs headfirst into “power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely”
Capitalism ,communism, socialism and the rest of the political “isms” have that truism as their ultimate endpoints.
If they all had only started out with “do unto others as you would have others do unto you”, it may have turned out differently.
But alas, we’re all only monkeys, with the same reptilian brain

bignose

@damianogerli That's great. Where and when was this published?

Keith

@damianogerli @aeva I miss early Google, it was a remarkably good search engine. Now it’s just a great example of #Enshittification

maxmoon 🌱

@keydelk @damianogerli @aeva Woah, there are people still using Google products?

cirdan12

@damianogerli How quickly companies forget the things that got them to where they are.

Stygian Lizard

@damianogerli I had an internet friend with the old Google logo tattooed on her arm. One of if not the first to do it.
I wonder how she's doing these days.

m0xEE

@damianogerli No ads part aged extraordinarily badly 🤣

Fred Brooker

@damianogerli

they just managed to get rid of the famous "Don't" during those 24 years

Yesterday's Rose

@damianogerli

I'd argue that Google, even as it stands now, is *absolutely nowhere* near as bad as some of its competitors were in 1999 in terms of extraneous clutter.

The words "portal litter" in the pic still send shivers down my spine. 😓

Queenero89

@damianogerli El mítico boton "voy a tener suerte". Si escribías lo que buscabas y pulsabas ahí entraba en en primer resultado automáticamente.

#google

Paolo Redaelli

@damianogerli
Once upon a time #google's motto was "Don't be evil".
They have dropped it log time ago.
@sneak

Jlo

@damianogerli I can feel the embedded music in a Geocities page.

ay :neocat:

@damianogerli tbf the google.com homepage is still mostly clean

Ari [APz] Sovijärvi

@damianogerli Well, they were kind of a big deal, when Yahoo, Altavista and friends discovered they could fill the whole screen with ads. Google was a breath of fresh air at the time.

raytraced

@damianogerli @jwz portal litter really spices up a toxic hellstew

adam king

@damianogerli i remember using basically this pitch for trying google to my altavista-using friends at high school! great time while it lasted…

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