 I'm gonna try to clear up a few things Meta is not gonna buy Mastodon or any server, this is based on absolutely nothing and untrue. Yes, some of us indeed got contacted by Meta/Insta because they are working on a new social platform (this was in the news) and they are looking into joining the Fediverse (Mark Zuckerberg also told this in the recent podcast) SO. This contact was about a "heads-up" for a potential big platform to join the network and not for a "take over". [1/2] 120 comments
It's NOT platforms like #Facebook or #Instgram that join the Fediverse ⚠️ Meta is working on a new platform that intends to federate So it's not everyone on FB or IG that joins but a new crowd probably We have great moderation tools on Masto and other software that can cut them off within a second if needed But let's not "block everything by default" but first check.. You won't be happt if your admin starts blocking things without even checking them first The same rules apply to them also > You won't be happt if your admin starts blocking things without even checking them first I mean, to be fair, you can check this company pretty easily right now, and it's not very good.@stux I thought the whole point of federation was that you just didn't all use one huge server. because as soon as a service with exposure to (potentionally) over a billion user becomes available, original mastodon users will (probably) turn into a rounding error @stux I would be ok as long as they: 1. Had a compelling motivation. 2. Were willing and hoping to re-federate in the case that their suspicions were false or unfounded. Both are true here. This feels incredibly risky. FB needs to prove legitemacy to investors and this looks like it's an atrempt to capture usage from Mastodon and then cut off ActivityPub once they reach critical mass. I don't want to indirectly support that. Please reconsider. Yes it's a new platform, but it's still the same Facebook. The same horrible company we already know.  All this sounds logical, but it doesn't work for many of us who came here because we didn't want to be anywhere near Facebook.  > It's not facebook Meta is working on Dude, it's the same company. Now I'd really like to ask one question and I expect you to be honest. Canary question: 🐦 Did you sign a contract with them, or are in talks that could result in you signing a contract with them? If you can't tell, just say "I can't answer that". Thank you.  @stuxI Sorry. You just lost me. I can't see how leaving this instance is not necessary. This is awful, I feel cheated and betrayed. How much are they offerIng? I'll be recommending mstdn.social be defederated. My instance is pro meta, I will be moving. Which instances are not betraying us? Betrayal. #shame @kevinrns https://fedipact.online/ EDIT: for clarity - the following are instances that have said they will BLOCK META :) EDIT 2: ADMINS, please sign at https://cryptpad.fr/form/#/2/form/view/Xz2YqIlhXIFXCitQApFe6Dp14O54I6vuqTUUgo8WbdM/ here are the larger instances so far (5000+ users): mastodon.social is not a signatory? Has expressed interest in being federated with the racist subversion devices built by Zuckerberg? Anyone? I mean, we don't have a definitive answer from our BDFL, but it looks like dot social will be federating, yeah  @stux there is a lot of room between "blocking everything by default" and blocking a particular entity preemptively because they have a well-established track record spanning many years of being more than willing, happy even, to harm individuals, businesses, and the internet itself as long as they can derive profit or in some way boost Zuckerberg's (or whichever billionaire's) ego @stux a small entity that has shown no signs of gleefully harming people? of course, give them a chance. let's get to know them a borg-sized and assimilation-inclined entity of infinite resources? nah, let's hold off. it will be far easier to open up to them later than it will be to repair whatever damage is wreaked if and when they pull stunts that no one would ever have expected an honest company to pull  @stux Thanks for that clarification and sharing from your expert position that you see the Fediverse as having the tools to protect itself. My concern would be about the dominating, "own the world," dishonest and manipulative and mass-profit-centric way that zuck works - so would hope that folks have done enough scenario-planning to envision all possibilities/contingencies. Don't understand why he'd want to do this if there was no way to profit/surveil.  @stux We are here because of corporate greed and malfeasance. That has not changed. The fox is coming to the hen house. How many times must we be subjected to the outright manipulation and aggressive abuse of these shareholder run organizations? This isn't about the users. They can be blocked. Please stop defending the corporations' platforms whose sole purpose is to make money off of their users, especially in light of the Reddit debacle. Federation doesn't change the philosophy of a company. Going, betrayed, subverted, going. Just outraged at this awful stupid action. Whatever instance I join will be deferederated from this instance -> mstdn.social. No. @stux I just don't want to see the garbage that are on Meta come to Fediverse because this place has become my escape from the cancer that other platforms have become. If Meta joins who knows if other platforms ike Gab, Twitter, etc follow suit which will most likely ruin the Fediverse. Also, Zuckerberg is a dick. EDIT: Also, if FB is anything like I remember, I'm not going to tolerate Karens and other bigots.  @stux The "benefit of the doubt" is an old-fashioned concept but I'm glad to see it's not gone entirely out of style. @stux I’m afraid I don’t share your optimism. Meta has failed miserably at moderating without an agenda. Are you ready for them to flood the fediverse with filth?  @markrsmith @stux right? just watch as the Nazi trash that Facebook refuses to moderate suddenly swarms the feeds but oh no, they're "too big to block, people will lose their social connections!" @stux@mstdn.social Everyone is always about federate or defederate. What’s your opinion about limiting meta? @stux if fediverse were fragile to be afraid of being bought, it should end sooner than later. But it is not fragile: I guess. @stux Thanks! You have my continued support regardless of whatever Meta has in mind. I did post recently about this with no feedback because I am certain that there’s really nothing Meta can do that any random reject server couldn’t already do. #Meta #Facebook #Instagram #Fediverse @stux Kudos to you for recognizing that while Meta itself isn't great, there are still people on Meta who aren't evil and horrible, and that by not preemptively blocking Meta, we can reach more people who might not otherwise think to join the Fediverse. And again, as you've said, bad actors can be dealt with easily from your end. Personally, I like the idea of being able to connect with my friends who are still there. @thegardendude @stux @thegardendude @stux  And they can learn other ways to contact people. I'm not supporting eugenicists and fascists to do it. @Keev @stux If we're being honest, they already have all our data, and many many other companies besides just Meta. User information has been trading hands among companies for quite a while now. The time to prevent it/shut it down was a while ago. So this feels a bit like trying to plug a dam after the town's already been flooded. I think people need to take a deep breath and calm down. Everyone thought Post was going to pose a threat to Mastodon, and I don't hear anything about Post anymore @thegardendude @stux There is a reason they they want to connect, and the reason is not your wellbeing, your user experience, your safety.... I suppose you know what is the reason. @thegardendude @stux 1) ActivityPub is having a moment and they may want to stain it. It doesn't need Meta to take off, but maybe they want to pretend it does. We shouldn't associate with them or let them pretend we owe them anything. 2) They aren't just “not great”, they're literal child predators. I'm writing a master thesis about it so the topic is a bit complex and once they get inside it will be much trickier to kick them out. @thegardendude @stux By the way, as a students union member I have experience with opportunistic alliances (e.g. for elections). You don't. This is a bad idea. @thegardendude @stux Again, no judgement meant towards you. But I was abused for most of my life and Zuckerberg was one of them. @thegardendude you don't need to compromise everyone's safety when you can just make a second account on their shit genocide facilitating platform and maintain those connections @oceane @stux   @revolt3d @stux yeah but it's a difference if you support #Cops & #Snitches that'll rat out their users or if you consider such hostile actors as what they are: attempts of #EEE / #EmbraceExtendAndExtinguish!
  Calling out an edit above, just so others don't miss it. I'd initially read Khan's comments as saying that there was a 2019 consent order that FB had been noncompliant with. No, there was a consent decree a decade old (unclear if now or in 2019) that the FTC found hadn't been complied with in 2019. I suspect that's the 2012 order described here:  @dredmorbius it's both! In 2019 FB settled charges that they had violated the 2012 consent order, paid a $5B fine (without admitting guilt), and signed another consent order. Now the FTC's saying they violated the 2019 consent order as well.  I'm worried that the volume of disinformation that may come out of Meta will be overwhelming. I like this instance. I fear there's a risk of exhausting mods that they defederate or shut down this instance. We shall see. Please take steps to bolster things so you aren't swamped with overwork. Did you sign an NDA with them? Did you have your lawyers review it? Who wrote the NDA? Please don't tell me you just straight up signed an NDA Meta presented to you, without legal review by a lawyer you personally retained.  @stux Individual Mastodon users can choose to block Meta. I think your measured approach is prudent. Give it a chance, see what it is. My major concern is if they will publish advertisements across fediverse. All of our public fediverse data is already being hoovered up by Big Data. There's no privacy for any public post. @stux Does anyone have a list of the instances who have signed or are considering signing these NDAs? Just curious.  @stux Meta would make a whole lot of purchases to acquire Mastodon. And that would not be the end of it... @stux looking forward to the "#fediverse causes genocide" headlines soon after because everything the #fuckingcapitalists touch leads to death and disaster. Would be nice to be wrong though. @stux Sounds reasonable to wait & see, but I'm afraid Zuckie's track record says you're letting the fox into the henhouse dressed as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
@stux Thank you. I really don't understand the fear that they will take over. I don't think it's possible. That's the point of a federated protocol. If people are afraid, then they don't understand federation. And If they do understand and have legitimate fears, then maybe mastodon/lemmy/kbin are flawed and need to be truly federated. My point is that I don't think there's much to worry about.  @stux Thank you for this. It's really frustrating to see the number of instances pre-emptively blocking an instance that represents a potentially huge moment for the Fediverse. A wait and see approach is totally reasonable and leaves room to act if Meta does anything that hurts your users. @stux@mstdn.social “meta is not gab” |
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People have asked me to 'preblock' this project but I am not gonna.
Meta is not Gab so we give them a chance and can always block them later with 2 simple button clicks..
We would never ever sell out on you but rather invest time to make this all go smooth without everything come crashing down
I hope this clears up some mis-understandings