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thegardendude 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

@stux Kudos to you for recognizing that while Meta itself isn't great, there are still people on Meta who aren't evil and horrible, and that by not preemptively blocking Meta, we can reach more people who might not otherwise think to join the Fediverse. And again, as you've said, bad actors can be dealt with easily from your end. Personally, I like the idea of being able to connect with my friends who are still there.

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Keev 🇺🇦

@thegardendude @stux
So why you don't use Meta??
It's not about the people, but it's insane to let Meta scrape data about Mastodon users.

thegardendude 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

@Keev @stux I'm still on Facebook. Unfortunately I need it to keep in touch with certain friends and family who sadly can't be bothered to go anywhere else. It sucks, but that's reality.

Keev 🇺🇦

@thegardendude @stux
Ok fair enough. But this is not a reason to let Meta in Fediverse and start doing its business here.
We don't want to be monetizes, censored, and exploited here.

thegardendude 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

@Keev @stux I agree with that, and as @stux pointed out, instance admins have the tools at their disposal to defederate/block/silence as needed.

Spellbind0127

@emmah genuinely confused on your logic here. Mets could turn out to be worse then we think and all you would need is your insurance admin to block them to protect your instance you don’t need other instances admin to block them to protect your data.

Emma Builds 🚀

@thegardendude @Keev @stux

And they can learn other ways to contact people. I'm not supporting eugenicists and fascists to do it.

thegardendude 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

@Keev @stux If we're being honest, they already have all our data, and many many other companies besides just Meta. User information has been trading hands among companies for quite a while now. The time to prevent it/shut it down was a while ago. So this feels a bit like trying to plug a dam after the town's already been flooded. I think people need to take a deep breath and calm down. Everyone thought Post was going to pose a threat to Mastodon, and I don't hear anything about Post anymore

Keev 🇺🇦

@thegardendude @stux
It's not true
It's not just about data (in general), but about their freshness, correctness, account info, friend list, datapoint....

There is a reason they they want to connect, and the reason is not your wellbeing, your user experience, your safety....

I suppose you know what is the reason.

Océane ⏚

@thegardendude @stux 1) ActivityPub is having a moment and they may want to stain it. It doesn't need Meta to take off, but maybe they want to pretend it does. We shouldn't associate with them or let them pretend we owe them anything.

2) They aren't just “not great”, they're literal child predators. I'm writing a master thesis about it so the topic is a bit complex and once they get inside it will be much trickier to kick them out.

Océane ⏚

@thegardendude @stux By the way, as a students union member I have experience with opportunistic alliances (e.g. for elections). You don't. This is a bad idea.

thegardendude 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

@oceane @stux I'm glad you feel freed to just cut off relationships with people on platforms you don't like. I don't. Quit with the judgemental attitude.

Océane ⏚

@thegardendude @stux Like, I'm autistic bro. I'm literally a students union member, I literally have experience with this kind of situations, and I literally think that you literally don't. Quit with the mansplaining, all I'm seeing is a bunch of cis white men pushing for decisions on behalf of everyone, with an arguably worse background than many of us to take this kind of decisions.

What, so you think that you're in a better position than the trans woman behind the FediPact to know when you have to run?

@thegardendude @stux Like, I'm autistic bro. I'm literally a students union member, I literally have experience with this kind of situations, and I literally think that you literally don't. Quit with the mansplaining, all I'm seeing is a bunch of cis white men pushing for decisions on behalf of everyone, with an arguably worse background than many of us to take this kind of decisions.

Océane ⏚

@thegardendude @stux Again, no judgement meant towards you. But I was abused for most of my life and Zuckerberg was one of them.

mae 🔆 bunne gang

@thegardendude you don't need to compromise everyone's safety when you can just make a second account on their shit genocide facilitating platform and maintain those connections @oceane @stux

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