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Nick

@petersuber Open access is certainly desirable, no author fees obviously sounds good, and I agree that if it would be better if journals were not-for-profit ventures, but I'm unclear how the significant work performed by the journal staff will be funded if we remove both embargoes and author fees.

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Georg Ramer

@internic @petersuber

That work could be done by university library staff, for example.

I feel like if APCs had been at a level that appeared reasonable to authors and publishers had given the impression that they were honest actors rather behaving like bridge trolls we wouldn't be in this situation.

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