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 @doctormo oh absolutely. I tried handling that in the second toot of that mini-thread. Kinda. @doctormo @jlapoutre @rysiek @inkscape Just the other day I remarked on a disconnect where FOSS-adjacent folks who don't trust opensource UX to have improved, & FOSS folks who don't trust them to be judging based on our current state. I don't know what to take from this dynamic beyond meaningless noise to disprove...  @alcinnz @jlapoutre @rysiek @inkscape There's a period at the start of a relationship with a generous gift giving ceremonies and a presumption of basic trust. What often seems to kill the relationship is different expectations. Many users want to be pampered, or at least taken care of cheaply. While foss expects involvement or if you want to be taken care of it's expensive. Because of economies of scale. So if you're a FOSSP, don't hide your relationship model! Set expectations!  @doctormo @jlapoutre @rysiek @inkscape my daughter went to art school, and one of her issues was that they pretty much taught the students using specific programs. And I'm sure everyone knows which ones they were. Anyway, this is feeding into the problem. It's exactly like students in business class being taught how to use Excel rather than how to use a spreadsheet. @doctormo @jlapoutre @rysiek @inkscape anyway, there's a difference between teaching a specific tool vs teaching the underlying concepts. Until that gap is bridged, people will come out of our higher learning institutions already locked into proprietary platforms. It's very difficult to get them to change once they're already comfortable in a specific workflow. @doctormo @jlapoutre @rysiek @inkscape at any rate, I think this is a major factor in the perception that the Adobe tools are the only ones which are suitable. I worked for a number of years as a photographer and never found open source tools to be lacking myself, but I taught myself and had no prior experience with the expensive paid for tools. I also had a desire to use the open source tools because I believed in their goals, to be sure. @jeang3nie or network administrators being taught Cisco specifically.  @rysiek @jeang3nie @doctormo @jlapoutre @inkscape Yeah, that's the kind of malicious shit that's rampant in schools here. "Gifts" to schools to build a captive audience from those who have yet to know better. Microsoft does a lot of that in #Canada. @lispi314 @rysiek @jeang3nie @doctormo @jlapoutre @inkscape yes, i agree. In Poland we have similar situation...  @doctormo @jlapoutre @rysiek @inkscape very strange. I've been a professional in film and game for a long time and it is all built on foss  @doctormo @jlapoutre @rysiek @inkscape Why not look at positive examples? How did the Blender ecosystem evolve to become so top-notch? Ton Blender has structures which go beyond pure voluntarism. Inviting participation from a much wider and deeper set of users and businesses than programmers with a some spare time. I'm watching Blender very closely and copying or mutating where I can. Asking people to directly sponsor my work, a lot. A seeing what can grow. @doctormo My outsider's summary of that would be: A lot of networked professionals decided they needed better tools, and better control over them. Also think about the history of that type of tool. Blender's market saw a lot of closed-source tools dominate for a time then fade away; that is fertile soil for having top talent invest their time in a FOSS project.  @tasket The biggest reason is Blender is controlled by a foundation and is really a community effort. That's a valid point to be taken to those disfranchised users to test, use and contribute to FLOSS projects and demand more from it. More demand (of features) might drive more contributions from interested corporate users. |
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The main claim that "FLOSS ... alternatives ... are sadly not there yet ... for professionals"
Is one that is much more complex than this binary would suggest. It depends on which professionals you mean. Scientists? Wood workers? Glass blowers? Web designers?
Each workflow in each business or industry has it's own assessment of Inkscape as a replacement tool.
But the answer is correct: Invest in programmers please.