Gregory's Server@bonkers @Natanox @Shrigglepuss There's two of them. Also I wouldn't be there to physically help them out - for me the included documentation is more important than the hardware itself. Also they're interested in learning game programming, not hardware development. So Microbit doesn't really seem like a suitable replacement, although it might still be a fun thing for them to try out.
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 @fluffy @Natanox @Shrigglepuss sounds like a couple of microbits is actually the right thing for them. Computers like RPi will be a huge overkill. Save that for when they're 14 and have actual programming experience.  @bonkers @Natanox @Shrigglepuss Also does it come with the materials they need to learn how to do it themselves? I cannot overstate how important that is. @fluffy @Natanox @Shrigglepuss the ones I got didn't have any printed material. But the website is very informative. Also there are expensive kits with printed manuals, if needed.  @fluffy @bonkers @Natanox @Shrigglepuss I first installed linux on a windows 3.1 computer when I was 10, with online documentation. I had already been doing tech support for my parents for years at that point. At 16 I was running the linux lab for my high school. 10-12 year old kids can do most stuff with computers that adults can, if you let them. Most people don't let them. @sidereal @fluffy @Natanox @Shrigglepuss I let them, but it's difficult to sparkle the interest.  @bonkers @sidereal @fluffy @Natanox I would maybe try some roleplay in this situation and make it into a puzzle you want to try and solve and need their support with? I work in consumer IT and these days it's the helping people out that engages me more than the computers. I've mostly come to hate computers, they're just the rut I've got stuck into that I've got good at helping people with haha @Shrigglepuss @fluffy @bonkers @Natanox Yeah while reading this I got all excited, like, it makes me really sad that people relegate children to tablets and stuff these days. I learned so much hacking away at old desktop computers when I was a kid. Hardware and software. Part of why it makes me sad that electronics are less repairable now. I got so much free "outdated" shit from adults that I then repaired myself and did all kinds of cool projects with. @fluffy @Natanox @Shrigglepuss what's the kid's experience in programming and computers? We programmed rock, scissors, paper with my kids on the weekend, and haven't even finished. I mean, it's a long road before game development. Also for games, Minecraft and Roblox allow a lot of programing, and they don't need an RPi. @bonkers @Natanox @Shrigglepuss Yeah, they already have fun in Minecraft. But they're interested in making stuff at a somewhat lower level; one of them specifically is really into Tamagotchi right now. Maybe Microbit would be a good choice for that. But basically I want a device for them that they can more directly work with Scratch and maybe Python, and the RPi400 manual has an amazing Pygame tutorial in it. I'm definitely weighing a lot of options and RPi400 seems like the best one. @fluffy @bonkers @Natanox @Shrigglepuss Agree with @Natanox - buy a 400. Itβs future iterations thatβre problematic and while itβs important to deny business to companies who demonstrate unconscionable conduct, this gives the educational element an additional layer - you can explain why the companyβs problematic and you wont be supporting them again. @oscarjiminy @bonkers @Natanox @Shrigglepuss thanks, Iβll probably get the rpi400 and two microbits for them then (or maybe a fun adafruit kit if they have something to their skill level) @fluffy @oscarjiminy @bonkers @Natanox you could buy secondhand instead, in order to not further support them. This is also educational regarding e-waste and reuse |
@bonkers @Natanox @Shrigglepuss Also right now the computers they have access to are Chromebooks, so their choices for actual dev environments are minimal. I mean, okay, they *could* install Linux on them, but keep in mind that they're 10 years old and their parents are not extremely tech-savvy.
I also live around 1500 miles away and my sister doesn't want me giving them something I can't help with remotely.