Gregory's Server@arashi I'd expect people to not make false advertisement in the first place.
But, y'know, that's just me. Companies lie all the time.
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 @drq @protonmail @rf yeah, the person didn't use the tools that were provided to them to protect their privacy. Had they used Tor or VPN, their IP address would've been safe. This has been well understood for decades now. You can't blame others for one's stupidity. @arashi If you blame a person for trusting, I'd seriously suggest you fix your heart before sharing a table with anybody else. @drq @protonmail @rf trusting? They did not use the tools. It's like blaming the doctor for patient's death, because the patient didn't take the prescribed medicine. There are limits to what you can do for other people. If they don't follow the established practices, no one else can do that for them. @arashi Yes. Trusting. There _was_ a "we don't log your IP" claim on @protonmail's site. > There are limits to what you can do for other people Yeah. "Don't actively deceive them and then rat them out" is perfectly within those boundaries. @drq @protonmail @rf they generally don't. The government came and forced them to start logging IP addresses for a *very specific account* and put a gag order on top of that. What would you have done in their place? @drq @protonmail @rf there's no guarantee for anything ever, the VPN vs email IP privacy is dictated by the Swiss law not by ProtonMail. It's a very nuanced case from which we can learn a lot how to protect ourselves better from the state actors, yet people choose to dumb this down to unbearable levels and just complain instead of improving things. Good luck with that strategy. @arashi Complain? Who's complaining? Not me. I'm taking a piss on someone who overpromised and underdelivered and, as a consequence, played an active role in ruining a person's life. Simple. @drq @protonmail @rf I was referring to the general sentiment around this case, not necessarily your particular comment. I'm just tired of everyone attacking everyone else at an extremely shallow level while contributing absolutely nothing to improve the available tools or public knowledge. @arashi And, besides. Expecting every person to be a CompSci InfoSec Pro Ultra Giga Mega DeepWeb DarkNet Ass 1337 H4x0rs is already a losing proposition. @drq @protonmail @rf come on, my tech-awkward barber understands how to protect his IP address better than this... It's not rocket science. And if you don't take the necessary steps to protect your freedom, you cannot expect anybody else to do that for you. @shuro Oh. "Your honor, I didn't kill people AT THE TIME... So... Case closed, I'm free to go, right?" Very weak tea. @drq @shuro @protonmail @rf except that in their case "your honor" is actually the person who signed the warrant to make you do it  @drq @protonmail @rf @arashi General public is the public that allowed these laws to exist in the first place.
So yes, basically it is the same "Your Honor". @drq @shuro @protonmail @rf oh I wish it was general public who mattered. But it isn't. It's the actual "your honor" that matters. Companies will always listen to the government before they listen to us and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. @arashi No, the "I didn't do despicable things at the time" argument IS the laughing matter. @drq @shuro @protonmail @rf ok this is getting a bit far from the original issue. I guess we said what we had to say on this matter. Draw your own conclusions and adjust your future choices accordingly. Hopefully it'll benefit you. Peace ✌️ @shuro Tell everybody that I failed in my mission, that I can't be trusted and liquidate the company. @shuro Or at the very least dropped the "praivasee" moniker forever. @drq @protonmail @rf @arashi Are you sure it is the best outcome for general public?
One less protected mail service (Tutanota would also go in 2020), sudden disruption of communication for many, probably having your equipment seized. @shuro Protected from what? From leaking your data to third party, I assume. Turns out, they aren't. @drq @protonmail @rf @arashi They still provide e2e encryption working out of the box.
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@drq @protonmail @rf the thing is they didn't. They specifically provide an onion address and a VPN service (which legally protects your IP). If you can't be bothered to do a 5 minute research on how to protect your privacy then you're just fucking yourself over. There's no excuse for ignorance.