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Tube🍂Time

this is fascinating: the power board has several laser trimmed resistors (sure, pretty common) but these have been laser trimmed AFTER being soldered onto the board!

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marble 🔮 replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime got something bigger to hold on to and also electrical connections for measuring. this way they maybe also compensate for variance in the production process

Attila Kinali replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Huh? On a power supply board? What sub-circuit are these resistors part of?

Tube🍂Time replied to Attila

@attilakinali there are 7 of them. they trim the output voltages and a few other parameters

Attila Kinali replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime interesting. I would have thought that 1% resistors would do the job for the voltage feedback of something like a computer.

Any idea why they need this level of accuracy?

Tube🍂Time replied to Attila

@attilakinali 1% is indeed fine for this. but they probably thought doing it this way was some sort of competitive advantage lol

Attila Kinali replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I.e. they IBM'ed the shit out of this power supply 😆

DELETED replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime VR3 - variable resistor? Are those fine tuned via the laser?

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

now i am repairing some more vias. the capacitors leaked and etched out a bunch of vias. this one needs to be connected on layer 2, so i had to remove some copper pour and FR4 to expose the trace.

Jeff Haluska replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime What camera do you use to take these macro shots?

Tube🍂Time replied to Jeff

@jhaluska just my phone. i have a Moment case with a small macro lens

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

ok i have a theory about why this was failing. symptoms: randomly the computer would shut off and pull a ton of current...

1) crowbar circuit fires. it can fire due to a rail going overvoltage...

2) a buck converter's MOSFET wasn't switching properly...

3) oh look this diode wasn't connected anymore due to a bad via!

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

want to stare at the schematic yourself? i've put it on GitHub. github.com/schlae/Thinkpad700C

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Tube🍂Time replied to DELETED

@x4nw yeah that stupid thing has been a pain for the last week and a half

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

it's working. that was a big step forward!

bitsavers.org replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime

I just checked and (thankfully) CHM doesn't have one. They actually have almost no ThinkPads in the collection. I have nightmares about how many early 90s machines in the collection have pcb rot.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

it's really too bad the soft touch paint gets sticky. black? not quite -- it's got flecks of blue pearlescent pigment!

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

i would also like to comment that the 640x480 color LCD screen is utterly fantastic for 1992. it's active matrix and beats the crap out of the more common passive screens of the time

fraggLe! replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Ugh I remember trying to play Jazz Jackrabbit on my first thinkpad, I couldn't see shit because of the passive matrix screen. Looked okay for productivity stuff, but anything fast moving was a blurry mess.

Andrew Certain replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I had totally forgotten about active vs passive matrix displays!

LabSpokane replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime

The minute I saw an IBM active matrix LCD, I knew the end was nigh for the CRT. It was amazing for its time.

tecknicaltom replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Active matrix, man. A million psychedelic colors... I bet it looks crispy in the dark.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

cracking open the battery. it's ultrasonically welded shut. the trick is to find a weak point and start wedging it open.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

then you just work your way around the seam, cracking it apart.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

tada! looks like 18 cells total. maybe 2/3 AA sized?

Landy Manderson replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime The single strip of Scotch tape in the middle is a nice touch.

SLeiBt replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Nice, can see 2 symetrical strings with temp sensor in the middle. Is the red wire connected to both strings in the far middle?

Tube🍂Time replied to SLeiBt

@SLeiBt yeah 2 parallel strings of 9 cells each

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

it died again. the problem was this via. I dug out the FR4 and reconnected it to the trace on layer 2.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

back in business. for now anyway. 😅

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

I 3D printed a new power connector. the strain relief is printed using TPU.

Darryl Ramm replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Did you have to make your own contacts of could you reuse something else?

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

any ideas about the type of connector the docking port uses? it's like a micro ribbon connector but with four rows instead of two rows. 240 pins total. pin pitch is 1.27mm. the only markings on the connector are "MXJ1" at one end and "52577A" at the other.

Tube🍂Time replied to Mark J Koch ✅

@maehem yeah i sorta think its a Hirose product but it's not DXM, which has only 2 rows of contacts, not 4.

DrYak replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime and apparently that specific one is only found on 700 and 720 series.
Source: thinkwiki.org/wiki/Docking_Por

Probably this one is ISA only, whereas the following series have PCI and/or CardBus.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

i figured it out. it is the AMP .050 CHAMP line of docking connectors.

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

oh i should fix the backlight, which blinks on and off for some reason. time to take it apart!

Tube🍂Time replied to Tube🍂Time

welp, looks like i missed a few electrolytic capacitors. check out all that nasty corroded fuzz on the nearby component leads!

Joe Pasqua replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Now that would be a truly useful AI - upload a picture of a connector (perhaps with a ruler for scale), and it tells you what the connector is and where to get it.

Yours was a tough one, but its hard even for more common connectors. Next time I go to Anchor I’m going to take some stuff with me to see if I can find matching connectors.

Darryl Ramm replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime Others have speculated in the past that IBM used Nextel Suede coating. nextel-coating.com/produkt/nex. I am not sure if that info is correct. Difficult to get in the USA and $$$. I know folks who may have very limited quantities (used on aircraft instrument panels), may be the wrong color or variant.

Inmbolmie replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime

Regarding the hinge support replacements, I present you the 700c that came from death...

Jonathan Hendry replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime

How did you know it needs to connect on layer 2?

Tube🍂Time replied to Jonathan

@jonhendry by shining a flashlight through the board and looking at the shadow of the trace. if it is more distant or fuzzy, then it's on the opposite side of the aluminum core

Michael Kohne replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime I'm guessing they trimmed to tune the system as a whole, not just the single resistor value?

Jake replied to Tube🍂Time

@tubetime My first job out of school was doing fpga stuff at a company that did laser trimming. It was wild. They used analog circuits to drive the galvos which had the mirrors. If the circuitry was off by a bit, you could see the “ringing” of the circuits in the right angle cuts (instead of an angle you’d see a little degrading sine wave). I’m still convinced analog EE’s are wizards.

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