If someone doesn’t want to be seen by journa.host, so what?

Not everyone wants to expose themselves to the glare of press. That’s their choice.

But again, only 1.7% of Mastodon has chosen that option.

An option, by the way, which isn’t available on Twitter.

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[since December] "the number of LGBT groups blocking the journa.host server has increased to two." 😂

@atomicpoet the 5x figure is only relevant if it’s disproportionate to the growth we’ve see in Mastodon servers over that time.

If they think it’s alarming, they should be asking what they’re doing that may want that reaction from some. Big lack of self awareness

@atomicpoet @fediversenews so why would anyone want to block that instance? I read the reasons cited in the article, but it doesn’t explain much.

First, good for journalist who want to promote themselves. Most people welcome journalism here. If they don’t, block.

Second, I think it’s a stretch that not blocking that instance would lead to “surveillance capitalism.” This is a much safer place for journalists than any other social network. And we really need that.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews this is actually 1.7% of the servers, and not all servers are of the same size, so the percentage of accounts excluded could be significantly different, however your point may still be valid (I haven't measured it).

@atomicpoet @fediversenews I understand what youmean, but 200 servers is not necessarily 0.017% of Mastodon. It's only 0.017% of Mastodon *servers*.
It all depends on which servers...

@atomicpoet @fediversenews further context, the *same guy* reported on this site back in Dec that 150 servers were blocking journa: https://thedesk.net/2022/12/mastodon-journa-host-lgbt-instance-server-blocked-170/

@atomicpoet @fediversenews the server blocking feature is fine, overused though, and it could really use a punch-through feature. Like, if I am following user@host.com, host.com gets blocked by my server admin, then ya nothing from host.com would show in the federated timeline - but as a user, would still expect to see user@host.com. That would help dull the effects of the blocklists.

@atomicpoet So it’s…working just like the Fediverse should? I don’t see the issue here.

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> six servers allow their users to “report” problematic content from journa.host participants, which flags a moderator for its possible removal from their internal timeline; another three places journa.host contributions in a “quarantine” until a member affirms they want to engage with it.

I don't understand why they are describing the default behavior here. Every instance allows users to report content.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews One of my complaints with Twitter was always that their moderation is very inconsistent and mod actions are often taken without warning or explanation.

I've seen people here complain when Twitter does that. But when Fediverse splits that problem among thousands of randos suddenly it's a feature? Moving to another server can help but isn't an easy magic fix-all.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews and isn't the whole point of the fediverse that instances can decide what they want to interact with?

@atomicpoet @fediversenews In my opinion this is a very badly reported article. I recall vividly when this issue first erupted. Two journalists belonging to that specific instance had a shouting match and name calling, both exhibiting unprofessional behavior. One of them reported to their admin who banned the other involved in the dispute.Subsequently the first one also banned. Many instances took exception to the second expulsion, initiated their own banning.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews Agreed, if 2% of servers are blocking something because they aren't interested in the content that sounds like the system is working as designed.

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the journalist demonstrates some of the behavior from journalists that gave rise to the various forms of defederation from a site for journalists

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I've never cared less about journalists until I read this jpeg.
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And how many USERS are on those 200 servers? I'm guessing maybe 1500 people? (If not 200?)

@atomicpoet @fediversenews I find it telling that this blogger provides no context in the post of how many servers there are just how many are blocking.

Also, those 200 servers, what are they? Who are they? What type of user is on those servers?

I'm thinking I want to write and email to him and ask those questions and also why isn't he asking those questions?

@atomicpoet @fediversenews This is from Matthew Keys, pathological liar and jailbird. So I find it impossible to take seriously.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/news/local/article252880588.html

@atomicpoet @fediversenews Agree(ish) - I think adding a "we block" and "we are blocked by" lists to a server's about page along with the rules for membership, etc. would be a great standard. It would allow monitoring of blocking. More transparency and standardization there would be valuable for admins and users.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews Maybe because, in the eyes of news publications, nothing is so criminal as blocking their access to you?

Would also explain mainstream journalism's fascination with narcissists.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews

"196 Mastodon instances have put digital barricades in place that makes it impossible for journalists on journa.host to see, interact with or follow users in their communities."

An overwhelming number of journalists I follow here have absolutely no desire to interact or follow users anyway. Most of them refuse to leave the other site and are now PAYING a sociopath money to be there.

They're only here to build their brand, not actually contribute to the platform.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews - speaking for myself, I don't want "news" in my Mastodon feed. I get that elsewhere.

Mastodon is a refuge for me from the madness of social media, the news feed, and the endless outrage cycle that drives media.

I blocked that journalism instance the very moment I first saw it.

I also have aggressive filters in place to screen out triggering material.

These big Twitter accounts are not happy with the degree of control that Mastodon users/admins have.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews you need to be careful that you count the same thing when you compare stats from fediverse.observer and the-federation.info. I see about 20,000 instances in the fediverse but only 12,000 of them are mastodon.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews I just replied to a friend on journa.host a few minutes ago, so clearly med-mastodon is not one of those "nearly 200".

Is there a way to access a list of which servers your instance is blocking, and which are blocking yours? I seem to remember someone mentioning that we'd blocked a few instances that were clearly associated with hate groups (violates our #1 rule) for example.

@atomicpoet @fediversenews Thanks for sharing!

@atomicpoet @fediversenews I think I remember people considering blocking journa.host because there were problematic accounts and interactions, and the moderation was found lacking.

To be clear, this is from memory, not my personal experience.