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Chris Trottier

For me, Twitter became "enshittified" when the service became about passive consumption.

And I get it. Some people just want to turn off their brains and zone out.

But not me.

I'm here to talk to people, have a conversation, and test out new ideas that could change the world.

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Marcia Darling

@atomicpoet Twitter was a shitter from the beginning. 140 character limit? It was always going to devolve into "who can shout the loudest"

Chris Trottier

Once you go down the "passive consumption" route, social media stops being social.

Instead it becomes television. And television sucks.

It's a one way window where a talking head speaks to you -- but you can't speak back.

Why would anyone want this -- and pretend this is in any way "social"?

"Social" implies a two way conversation. If it's one way, the "social" is a facade.

Olav

@atomicpoet
Anecdotally the majority of people want that TV. Pretty pictures, cat photos, whatever. Rarely if ever interact. I'll reinforce that with big names notice.they get more engagement here where their follow count is far less than elsewhere

But that's okay, if that's what they want out of SM. I mean, you and I don't engage/like everything that hits our feed either.

So the question pivots towards how do we make it easy for that 50%+ to get their daily dose of cat photos

@atomicpoet
Anecdotally the majority of people want that TV. Pretty pictures, cat photos, whatever. Rarely if ever interact. I'll reinforce that with big names notice.they get more engagement here where their follow count is far less than elsewhere

But that's okay, if that's what they want out of SM. I mean, you and I don't engage/like everything that hits our feed either.

Chris Trottier

@olavf Again, no service has to be all things to all people.

If someone wants to created a federated service for viewing cat photos, just make caturday.social.

Make it gallery-focused.

Obviously, that's not what I want. But that's fine.

llewelly

@atomicpoet @olavf
there are at least a few severs in the fediverse dedicated to pet photos. fluffy.family is the only one I can recall off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are others. Personally, I see enough cat photos in my feed that I haven't bothered to look for dedicated severs.

INPC

@atomicpoet passive consumption should be saved for things like cheese or heroin.

Rosanna

@atomicpoet absolutely right!
It was the reason I quit Facebook and I can't stand those "social media", which are also built by haters, or very passive followers saying "yes" to anything.
Horrible spaces.

Killick

@atomicpoet ,That's an interesting way to put it. Social media are now like TV. (Think about "doom scrolling.") The fediverse is a social *network.*

Arp Laszlo • Comics • ADHD

@atomicpoet I posit that ‘passive consumption’ is what turned Social Networking into Social Media.

The intentionality of using Mastodon = Social Networking.

Dan Wentzel 🏳️‍🌈 (on Mastodon)

@atomicpoet That is the difference between a “social network”
and “social media”. That is what an algorithm does. It channels engagement to the few by taking away from the many. Even before Musk turned the platform over to trolls, bots, and bigots, we can now see it is essentially “trickle down” social media.

Brennan Stehling

@atomicpoet Passive can be good. Lots of people put on gamers on Twitch in the background while their doing something else and engage in chat occasionally. Many streamers have fostered a very active and close community. I relax by watching a Dutch gamer called Harstem play Starcraft 2. He’s got a great sense of humor and I learn a lot from him.

Decades ago people would listen to baseball games at work. They would passively listen and discuss what happened around a literal water cooler. A mix of passive and active can be really good.

@atomicpoet Passive can be good. Lots of people put on gamers on Twitch in the background while their doing something else and engage in chat occasionally. Many streamers have fostered a very active and close community. I relax by watching a Dutch gamer called Harstem play Starcraft 2. He’s got a great sense of humor and I learn a lot from him.

Nautile Bleu

@atomicpoet what if you use it to post content but not read other people’s posts ?

Marcia Darling

@atomicpoet Also nice find. It helps me feel nerdly superior that this is the thinker's social media.

morph

@atomicpoet People like to have everything "as a service". They like to watch celebrity marriage, sport games, talk shows, porn, influencers and so on. Rather than acting/thinking autonomous. The world shown by professional actors seems to be more comfortable as so I can make no mistake myself.
As he says one wants to use the social network without thinking means rather it should be more consumable. Hide and not talk in public because I'm not perfect should be the way.

Enrique Barcelli

@atomicpoet You nailed there and square.

We come here to engage with people, have conversations, test ideas, search for different views... not to 'consume media'... 'without thinking'... I think there is plenty of that everywhere else.

Moreover, I love the fact that here we can really talk to the people 'running the thing'... not only 'their users'...

Anyway, nothing is everything to everyone.

The Air Whisperer

@atomicpoet

"I'm here to talk to people, have a conversation, and test out new ideas that could change the world."

YES...!

I'm here to do that too

- I only got into Social Media BECAUSE of an observation that 'could change the world'.

So Mastodon is BETTER for that than Twitter, right...?

Well, not in my experience; there's no publishing algorithm here, so (presumably, because no stats either...) nobody sees my stuff without a 'boost'.

And 'my stuff' gets more CRICKETS than BOOSTS...

Gurtbeef Robe

@atomicpoet @zleap being silent is torture for me. I was in a treatment center as a teen where they didn’t let me talk for 10 days and it was pure hell.

@pineywoozle (s) for HARRIS

@atomicpoet I curated the hell out of who I followed, and who I let follow me. My Twitter feed was primarily conversations & really similar to what I experience here. I didn’t follow huge accounts to have them spout things at me. I talked about things with the people that followed me & that I followed. My Twitter feed was just as full of science & art & poetry & photography & politics as this is. A lot Twitter was actually what you made of it I think it’s why this is a good fit

Stegasaurus

@atomicpoet Thinking about this further, I'm wondering if builders of the fediverse shouldn't take some lessons from biology. Think about the fediverse as an entity. So it will need to live with invaders (get sick) but also have several immune systems that engage at various levels.

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