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Johannes Ernst

@mike When you talk about this at #SxSW and elsewhere, what do you say "this" is? The Fediverse? Mastodon? ActivityPub? Decentralization?

I feel like we have too many words ...

13 Mar 2023 at 19:08 | Wall-to-wall | Open on social.coop
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Mike McCue

@J12t Hah. Great Q.

Depends on the audience. If they've already heard of Mastodon I start there and work up to Fediverse. I tend to stay away from decentralization to avoid the crypto feel unless I'm talking to someone very technical. I also often refer to all this as the open social web especially if I'm talking to people who witnessed the dawn of the web to begin with.

13 Mar 2023 at 19:22 | Open on flipboard.social
Johannes Ernst

The open social web, hmm. We have a lot of moderation and #fediblock in the #fediverse already, however, and might get more if/when large internet co's with a different value system than what's prevalent in the fediverse today connect. Personally I don't believe that unqualified "open" is what we want.

I think we want "open for anybody who isn't out to screw us" or some (more polite) version of that ...

@mike

13 Mar 2023 at 19:38 | Open on social.coop
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@J12t
@mike that's how the "open web" has always worked; anybody can run an SMTP server and send email to anyone else. The responsibility for filtering the spam lies with the consumer.

#Fediverse #fediblock

13 Mar 2023 at 19:43 | Open on mas.to
Johannes Ernst

@schizanon @mike yep, except the fediverse these days is more explicit that some โ€œedgeโ€ decisions are made by the user themselves, some by instance operators/moderators, now with sharing block lists, arguably some decisions are made not at the edge any more.

13 Mar 2023 at 19:54 | Open on social.coop
Mike McCue
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Johannes Ernst

@marqle Is it necessary that you and I, for example, agree on what "fairness" (or other fuzzy terms) are? Seems to me that there could be multiple definitions, and I sign up to one that resonates with me.

Might be that level-0 protocol interop is always required, no funny embrace-extend-extinguish-extensions, but that's probably easier to define and agree on than then higher, more human levels.

13 Mar 2023 at 20:58 | Open on social.coop
Mike Macgirvin
@Johannes Ernst @Mike McCue  Mass blocking is actually fairly new in the fediverse and arrived with Mastodon. When your only tool is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. Some of us use permissions instead. It's a much more civilised way of managing discord and rubbish. We also provide blocking, but when your permissions and personal filters work well you'll find you only rarely need to play whack-a-mole. When Islamic State joined the fediverse some years ago we made sure we could block them, but those tools went unused because most of us never saw them. We only ended up blocking them in the "public stream". Over time, most of our sites turned off the public stream because 1) it's just a cesspool and 2) no site owner wanted the liability.
@Johannes Ernst @Mike McCue Mass blocking is actually fairly new in the fediverse and arrived with Mastodon. When your only tool is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. Some of us use permissions instead. It's a much more civilised way of managing discord and rubbish. We also provide blocking, but when your permissions and personal filters work well you'll find you only rarely need to play whack-a-mole. When Islamic State joined the fediverse some years ago we made sure we could block...
13 Mar 2023 at 21:36 | Open on macgirvin.com
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