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Mike McCue

Flying back from #SxSW where I evangelized #ActivtyPub, #Mastodon and the #Fediverse. It’s crazy how few people have even heard of this movement and all anyone could talk about was #GenerativeAI. I felt like an eccentric prophet holding a sign with scrawled writing “The end of the walled gardens is nigh”

But as many of you on Mastodon already know, the dawn of the open social web is here now and next SXSW is likely to be very different.

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Fediverse Report

@mike Even more so, the end of walled gardens is also nigh when it comes to chat apps, its not only the fediverse. What @matrix is doing with apps like Elements and Beeper is pretty revolutionary.

Mike McCue

@fediversereport @matrix I had not heard of Matrix. Looks super interesting and will check it out. Thanks for sharing.

Johannes Ernst

@mike When you talk about this at #SxSW and elsewhere, what do you say "this" is? The Fediverse? Mastodon? ActivityPub? Decentralization?

I feel like we have too many words ...

Mike McCue

@J12t Hah. Great Q.

Depends on the audience. If they've already heard of Mastodon I start there and work up to Fediverse. I tend to stay away from decentralization to avoid the crypto feel unless I'm talking to someone very technical. I also often refer to all this as the open social web especially if I'm talking to people who witnessed the dawn of the web to begin with.

Johannes Ernst

The open social web, hmm. We have a lot of moderation and #fediblock in the #fediverse already, however, and might get more if/when large internet co's with a different value system than what's prevalent in the fediverse today connect. Personally I don't believe that unqualified "open" is what we want.

I think we want "open for anybody who isn't out to screw us" or some (more polite) version of that ...

@mike

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@J12t
@mike that's how the "open web" has always worked; anybody can run an SMTP server and send email to anyone else. The responsibility for filtering the spam lies with the consumer.

#Fediverse #fediblock

Johannes Ernst

@schizanon @mike yep, except the fediverse these days is more explicit that some “edge” decisions are made by the user themselves, some by instance operators/moderators, now with sharing block lists, arguably some decisions are made not at the edge any more.

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@J12t email clients had spam filters before email providers did too
@mike

Johannes Ernst

@schizanon but none of them called themselves “open email”. So “open social web” has some terminology problems imho that email never had.

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Johannes Ernst

@marqle Is it necessary that you and I, for example, agree on what "fairness" (or other fuzzy terms) are? Seems to me that there could be multiple definitions, and I sign up to one that resonates with me.

Might be that level-0 protocol interop is always required, no funny embrace-extend-extinguish-extensions, but that's probably easier to define and agree on than then higher, more human levels.

Mike Macgirvin
@Johannes Ernst @Mike McCue  Mass blocking is actually fairly new in the fediverse and arrived with Mastodon. When your only tool is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. Some of us use permissions instead. It's a much more civilised way of managing discord and rubbish. We also provide blocking, but when your permissions and personal filters work well you'll find you only rarely need to play whack-a-mole. When Islamic State joined the fediverse some years ago we made sure we could block them, but those tools went unused because most of us never saw them. We only ended up blocking them in the "public stream". Over time, most of our sites turned off the public stream because 1) it's just a cesspool and 2) no site owner wanted the liability.
@Johannes Ernst @Mike McCue Mass blocking is actually fairly new in the fediverse and arrived with Mastodon. When your only tool is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. Some of us use permissions instead. It's a much more civilised way of managing discord and rubbish. We also provide blocking, but when your permissions and personal filters work well you'll find you only rarely need to play whack-a-mole. When Islamic State joined the fediverse some years ago we made sure we could block...
vagabond

@mike this is my experience as well talking to the #dweb crew, the USA is falling behind Europe on the #openweb tech movement.

HïMY SYeD :mstdn:

@mike Succinct reporting on your attempt at selling Pepsi in Atlanta.

nvironmntcarol

@mike agreed; everything is pitched like 10 months ago and thus is already laughably out of date by the time the conference actually happens! thanks for fighting the good fight! i’ve been doing similar plus for cooperatives and community ownership

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@mike
So long as everyone concentrated on keeping the Musks and the Meta clown out of the development.

Here at the moment it's higher intellect, more spread in conversations and people are actually finding community without sacrificing to the bullies of fascism and big money.

I think it would change if we suddenly said ooh look that's much more twitteresque let's go there, then find they and those communities are owned by something as singularly uninspiring in social media trends as rocket boy.

supernovae

@mike ahh dang, If I knew you were in town I would have loved to have caught up.

Next time you're in Austin, let me know! :)

Dick Hardt :verified:

@mike #SXSW is now a trailing indicator. It was a leader way back when Twitter broke out there.
I think the #Fediverse needs a IRL conference like how early W3C & early OSCON ignited movements. Sign me up to help.

Johannes Ernst

@dickhardt @mike Our first #Fediforum is on-line, but we want to do an IRL conference later this year. All ideas and help appreciated!!

Mike McCue

@J12t @DickHardt I'm looking forward to attending. it will be good to talk to people in 2D instead of just 1D. Where are you based? Maybe you could get an informal dinner of people who live in same area as you.

Jane Adams

@dickhardt @mike We gave a talk in the exhibitors hall last year on generative AI before the text-to-image boom, and only about 6 people attended. 2022 was all about web3 and the metaverse. This year genAI is the number one buzzword and our data arts panel had over 100 attendees. Sxsw as trailing indicator is the best characterization I've read this week lol

Mike McCue

@janeadams @DickHardt Hah! So true, Jane! You were ahead of your time!!

Patrick

@mike Are you at the interactive part? Not sure if waiting a year will help. SXSW is where hypes, trends and movements start.
But I bet that the AI thingy is just more interesting for the world. To bad.

Tara

@mike it’s most fun to be early/crazy.

Doug is riding the mastodon!

@mike As for the "dawn" all I can say is Keep Fighting! “If there is no struggle, there is no progress.” — Frederick Douglass (see also our pattern publicsphereproject.org/conten)

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