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"Is this the Twitter replacement we've been waiting for?"

........#Mastodon?

@caseynewton HEKK YEAH

@caseynewton i wonder how much theyre gonna try and pay operators to allow them to federate, because i get the impression nobody will willingly want to do that.

'federate with the people that brought us cambridge analytica? seriously?'

@caseynewton Instagram, ew. No.

@caseynewton if they launch anything it would be a miracle.

@caseynewton This is why we can't have nice things

@caseynewton Betteridge's Law in the subtitle, but this is really interesting. I mean, Meta can take a hike with their industrial data harvesting, but more generally I like the momentum for ActivityPub, etc.

@caseynewton Not surprised with this development. Meta has always going after the latest hottest thing to prevent getting overtake by others.
I think the issue with decentralized social network is discovery of new accounts to follow.

@caseynewton Ohhh hell no, we all saw what they did with XMPP, not falling for that one again.

@caseynewton Think about the info they can capture on people who aren't even their own users.

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It’s a no for me, dog. I’m happy on #Mastodon.

@caseynewton question for people who know more about the #ActivityPub: Would it be technically possible that Meta “connects” all of their network (users and posts) into the fediverse? It strikes me that they wouldn’t start something from scratch, but they may leverage the huge network they already have. Is that possible?

@caseynewton Fool me once,…

@caseynewton ok, this is really interesting news 👏 👏

@caseynewton no, plz.

@caseynewton So, does that mean this is the metaverse?

Great. One more block list to build.

@caseynewton interestin, so it'd be three different social media services under one company at that point, plus a messaging app. Kinda would be competing with themselves in some ways

@caseynewton can we defederate them immediately?

@caseynewton embrace, extend...

@caseynewton where's that chart that shows how a company adopts an open standard, secures a user base, drops the open standard and works to kill it and anyone that doesn't join their walled garden...?

@caseynewton how much data collection will Meta do of the fediverse before they are defederated? Its not just those that join their service their goal is gathering as much data as possible on everyone, its a privacy nightmare.

@caseynewton "Concerning"

@caseynewton WHAAAATTTTTTTT!!!

@caseynewton sounds cool actually. I'd get to connect with my family while staying in mastodon or giving tons of private info. At least, that's how I hope it ends up being like.

@caseynewton Maybe someone should tell them about Mastodon.

@caseynewton zucc jolted awake in a cold sweat, sensing that masses of user data was going unharvested, the users themselves safe and well-insulated from the influence of the brain melting conspiracy theories and content algorithms. he knew what he had to do

@caseynewton Translation: Meta is building a shiny new white van that will support free candy. The company confirmed that it is totally trustworthy.

@caseynewton oooh sounds new and unique. brilliant minds golden nippy minds! /S

the smart schmuck will fork Masto, pee on it until it smells like Mark.

the same trick was done by UCB years ago

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Supporting ActivityPub doesn't necessarily mean it will federate with the fediverse. The article mentions logging in with Instagram credentials. That may suggest a diversion from fediverse norms. Truth Social is also a stolen bastardization that doesn't federate. In any case, if they get anywhere close to the fediverse it's cancer and must be completely shunned

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Bet they're building out how to sell ads on it first.

@caseynewton I'm a live and let live kinda guy, but if I can't find an instance that'll defederate any instance that touches Meta's I will learn to build a server in my basement, with blackjack and webhooks

@caseynewton in the wake of the Musk mess and the way reality crushed Zuck's metaverse dream, I see this as a desperate move to stanch any migration from FB to the Fediverse. I already defected and I don't want the privacy leech touching this clean, decent and very informative federation. As long as Zuck Sucks personal data they will continue to lose subscribers who care about privacy.

@caseynewton I see this as a lot like Spotify getting into podcasts. The die hard, early adopting nerds will avoid it on principle. So it’ll be up to meta to attract big enough names (a Joe Rogan of tweeting) that normies who don’t know or care what activity pub is are willing to use it. Honestly sounds possible if the product sands off the decentralized network sharp corners. A lot of Twitter (sports and celeb for example) haven’t jumped yet.

@caseynewton should I work there

@caseynewton You reference MoneyControl as reporting this, but no link or more information...

@caseynewton cc @atomicpoet maybe big social will federate after all

@caseynewton I'm guessing this new decentralized network will come fully baked with support for Meta’s non-stop personalized ads.

@caseynewton it’s been true all along, social networks run by dads from the blog era will embrace ActivityPub.

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@Gargron
#meme

@caseynewton Meta monetizes their users, it’s all they do. And they sell to anyone (for example https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15252019.2023.2173991?journalCode=ujia20) so it’s a very very hard pass from me. I rather delete my accounts and walk away than be part of anything Meta.

The point of the fediverse was to avoid all this. Letting it in will ruin it all.

@caseynewton this would just be Mastodon right? I wonder what’s the push for this.

@caseynewton let’s not federate with this. At worst, they’re looking to embrace/extend/extinguish somehow, at best, it’d be this millennium’s Eternal September.

@caseynewton I’d rather they didn’t

@caseynewton @ceejbot
> More than one person I know quit using Mastodon forever after it asked them to log in to a different server in order to follow someone.

Wat…

@caseynewton no Zuck, go away. We like it here, we don't need your gentrification of the fediverse. 🙄

@caseynewton EEE?

@caseynewton 😮‍💨

@caseynewton Meta. Decentralised. That’s really funny.

How does that old song go? Embrace, extend, extinguish?

@caseynewton so they’re trying to recreate the original facebook?

@caseynewton Ah, yes. ‘text-based’. Words I’d normally hear describing a CLI, or IRC. Or do they mean ‘text’ as in SMS/MMS? Either way, I sure as heck am not the target audience they’re looking for.

@caseynewton "More than one person I know quit using Mastodon forever after it asked them to log in to a different server in order to follow someone."

This is the number ONE thing Mastodon has to fix. I send you a link for a cool post and then… it takes you like 10 steps to follow that person, or even to *like* the post.

@caseynewton What happened to their Second Life rip off? Virtual chain reality boy or something. I don’t remember what it was.

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Time for everyone to build his own blocklist ehm instance 😅

@caseynewton time for a @olimex - @freedomboxfndn

@caseynewton 🤦🏻‍♂️ Everybody’s copying everybody else.

@caseynewton they don't get it:
"Among the challenges for developers is that basic social-network functions like following users become complicated when accounts are located across a vast network of servers. More than one person I know quit using Mastodon forever after it asked them to log in to a different server in order to follow someone."

@caseynewton Hasn’t DeSo already achieved what Meta are trying?

#deso #decentralised #social

https://www.deso.com

@caseynewton Meta? Once they figure out the lack of profit margin of whatever poor implementation they come up with, they will be... vamoose!

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@caseynewton eeeeew! yuck!

I hope no one federates with those advert selling, data mining fear mongers.

@caseynewton just some Buzz from Meta to stay visible, nothing more yet. 😏

@caseynewton my comment to the Topic:

https://quasselkopf.de/@kranzkrone/109998818881875101

@caseynewton @anildash guessing this is more in the Microsoft embrace and extend vein than adoption if the core fediverse. Still a validation of the fediverse beyond the obvious power grab.

@caseynewton like IRC? The audacity

@caseynewton Did this originate in the Instagram org, or did it come from above? What I'm wondering is how invested Zuck is in it, since that will go a long way towards determining if this ever hits production. And if it does, how much runway it's given.

@caseynewton probably a net-bad for mastodon, but great news for killing off twitter

@caseynewton Meta is still Zuckerberg and still a hard NO.

@caseynewton I don't welcome this at all. Some companies can/should be welcomed into the Fediverse, but Meta has continually proven itself to be incapable of respecting anything that isn't directly & immediately in the interests. I don't want to see them try to get their claws in here…

@caseynewton I have no desire to use anything from Meta/Facebook. But I’m sure there will be lots of takers, at least the curious who want to sample it.