Gregory's ServerA short story. We once submitted Untitled Goose Game to the Mac App Store. It was rejected by the reviewer because they thought you couldn’t skip the credits. (?!?) We explained that you could skip the credits by holding space. It was then rejected for something else and at that point we just gave up and never bothered to resubmit. Fin
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I'm not up to date in these matters, but don't believe those amount to the same thing. @cabel      @hatter @ernie @cabel By Windows, I imagine they mean Steam. Though Gamepass runs through the Windows Store, as do Xbox Play Anywhere titles that work on Xbox consoles and Windows. I have a few Forza games from the Windows Store because they were not on Steam at the time. Also Minecraft goes through the Windows Store. @RamenJunkie @hatter @cabel There is no need to interpret what I said I literally explained it in my reply to him @RamenJunkie @hatter @cabel Also: I think Apple could score some gamer points by working with Steam on bringing Proton to the Mac in a tangible way.  @Aaron @cabel @drahardja A variant on the theme of garbage tech companies designing things that obviously need moderation/curation and not being willing to pay people to do that (despite taking a cut so large they could afford a spectacular team to do it). @Aaron @cabel @drahardja Taking weeks means they didn't have a large team. Rather an overloaded small team attempting to do detailed review.  @dalias @Aaron @cabel IMO the fundamental problem is that Apple sees App Store review as a cost center first and foremost, a way to gatekeep undesirable apps from reaching users second, and a developer gateway a distant third. If developer satisfaction were important, Apple would brag about its “DevSat” as well as its “Customer Sat” figures.  @drahardja @dalias @cabel YES! THAT! Meanwhile without devs, the iOS ecosystem would be down to stock apps and trash from get-rich-quick schemes. That 30% cut would dry up real quick. I love Apple, but god they have such a one-sided relationship with devs. @Aaron @cabel @drahardja There’s no foolproof way of distinguishing good stuff from crap, but “this is a well-known indie game already available on several other platforms” should probably trigger the “let’s make sure it’s not a third-party ripping off the real publisher and then release it” reflex It’s… not like Apple is unaware of the existence of Panic in general @njvack @cabel @drahardja Not foolproof, but what Cabel describes is stupid. Apple should have opened a dialogue with him / Panic to understand the issue and work it out. Solves a ton of problems. I also think Apple needs to create a “Trusted Dev" system that allows known good devs with a LONG track record to gain expedited review.     @chockenberry @cabel lol. Beautiful but with nothing to do but video! It’s so sad! So much potential just sitting there. No games anyone wants to play and no ML frameworks that don’t have to be rewritten specifically for it (CoreML does not count and does not matter). For YEARS I’ve been talking about how the Apple/Nvidia war was a huge problem b/c of CUDA’s dominance in AI/ML and had tons of people telling me I was wrong and an idiot. Spoiler: I wasn’t and I’m not. @film_girl @chockenberry @cabel Absolutely spot on. It’s a really bizarre blind spot. @bracht ah interesting. I’ve made many apps but never games or that sort of content so it kind of makes sense. 👍🏻  @cabel Really hopeful that regulators will start smacking down Apple and forcing them to allow e.g. Epic and Valve onto iOS so there's a backstop for inanities like this on more platforms than the mac. I loved Untitled Goose Game and I'm glad I got it through Valve and not Apple since I played it with my kid half on a Mac and half on a Steam Deck. @cabel It should be in Apple’s own best interest to give long-standing, award-winning, developers special entitlements and experienced reviewers to bring quality titles to the Mac App Store. Would we have these issues if Eddy Cue grew up with Audion or Phil Schiller actually read every article by @gruber escalated to him?  @cabel This is why I find all the “no no no… Apple is serious about gaming THIS TIME” stories about Arcade, and now their upcoming VR headset so hilarious. They just don’t care enough about games to make a compelling platform. Netflix is *killing* arcade with the calibre of the titles on iOS. And it’s only a value add to their streaming!  @cabel I sometimes think about how the first Genius Bars worked because they were filled with people enthusiastic about Apple and the Mac, and how crazy it is that neither the App Store or Feedback seem to similarly leverage the Apple community.  @cabel this is my daughters absolute favourite game. (Nintendo switch) and has spawned a whole love of geese. She and I appreciate the effort. She also would love a sequel 🙏🏻☺️ @cabel I believe apple are now suggesting that you request they call you to resolve miss understandings, rather than what seems to be slow async coms. @cabel Their loss, UGG rocks. Apple have always been a pain to work with, for game developers, but interestingly for different reasons through the years. Up to MacOS 7, the hardware was just catastrophically slow. During PowerPC, the hardware was better but the OS was still slow. WIth OSX and Intel, they tried several times to be better and always step on their own feet with stupid rules. Now with iOS, they act like they're the only game in town. Almost as bad as launching a game in China.  You are far from the first person I've read of where they couldn't get their Mac/iOS app/update-to-app approved because the reviewer is fucking stupid. It's like Apple hates free money. @cabel This deeply upsets me because you’re Panic FFS. When I submitted my first Mac app back in 2014, it got stuck in review purgatory (not approved or denied) for weeks. They would not help me when I called, but luckily as a former employee I was able to back channel through someone still working there to get it unstuck. @cabel The community should make a game called Untitled App Store Rejection. You try to submit your game to the App Store and keep getting nonsense rejections. It could be powered by Bing’s Sydney. @cabel Ah yes, the real and very much published App Store Guideline 618.π.1 - “games must have skippable credits for you and unskippable credits for Apple Arcade” How could you miss that, it’s right after “apps must not give the geese around Apple Park any ideas or promote the violation of ’no geese’ signs.” @cabel What was the "else" it was rejected for? > It was then rejected for something else  Imagine what the world would be like if you could just skip the iOS app store the same way. |
@cabel "Please title your game"