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SnoopJ

the most important part of #Unicode history is when a mouse fell out of a light fixture and got added to the count of members present at a Technical Committee meeting (9 Nov 2016)

unicode.org/L2/L2016/16325.htm

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SnoopJ

bonus fun fact: the same meeting notes indicate that the committee discussed a proposal (L2/16-329) for adding a Klingon script (pIqaD) to Unicode

unicode.org/L2/L2016/16325.htm

SnoopJ

P.S. if you are reading this set of silly posts and know of a good "narrative history" of Unicode (or text standards in general!), I would love to read one.

I'm interested in the sort of prose you might read in the 'History' section on Wikipedia, but essay/book length. Bonus points for organizational context, i.e. going through what the Consortium is and how its sub-units are structured, how proposals work in general, etc.

Ben Companjen

@SnoopJ I would be interested too! I remember a short television documentary (Dutch TV or Netflix) showing efforts to get the trans flag and white wine emojis accepted. I think there were a few sentences about the history that got me interested, but I didn't go look for more.

barry dorrans

@SnoopJ when the next security stuff comes out I’m now worried my snark will be in the minutes 😬

Dr. Bethan Tovey-Walsh 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

@SnoopJ
I’m tagging in @timbray and @ndw on the off-chance - if anyone I know has heard of such a book, it will be them.

Tim Bray

@linguacelta @SnoopJ @ndw I have not, and suspect that I would have if there were one.

Eric Schultz

@SnoopJ I appreciate that the mouse is still represented the next day.

Daniel Gibson

@SnoopJ what was the mouses stance on adding Klingon?

SnoopJ

@Doomed_Daniel unknown, but I like to think they were in favor. Qapla', lil friend!

Tim Panton

@artean @brunoph @SnoopJ I'm sorry, I have to ask: Augustus Fonts? At a Unicode meeting? Nominative Determinism or an amusing alias ?

Artéan

@steely_glint @brunoph @SnoopJ
Haha I hadn't even noticed! That's even more awesome. X)

chinmay

@artean @brunoph @SnoopJ is nobody going to talk about Augustus FONTS in a Unicode committee?

`Da Elf

@SnoopJ And SEVERAL times mouse shows up in the minutes.

Dr. Quadragon ❌

@SnoopJ noted: Unicode consortium a bunch of huge nerds.

Damon L. Wakes

@SnoopJ Hang on. Was the mouse considered 0.502 people?

Deezy.exe stopped unexpectedly

@DamonWakes @SnoopJ
I first read it as 6,502 people, but a fractional value makes more sense

Marie

@DamonWakes @SnoopJ From the rest of the notes, Mouse seems to represent 0.002 of a Member. Members of the UTC are, I guess, usually companies. I'm not sure which company is a half-member.

Chip_Unicorn

@jamuraa

@DamonWakes @SnoopJ

Today I learned: A warren of 3,000 mice could take over the Unicode standard. 🐁

fraggle

@Chip_Unicorn @jamuraa @DamonWakes @SnoopJ 3000 mice in a trench coat voting for addition of the Mouse King emoji

SnoopJ

@jamuraa @DamonWakes I believe the way it works is that full or institutional members of the Consortium who are representing at the committee have a full vote, supporting members have a half vote, and other membership levels do not have voting power (with the exception of Mouse).

There's a table of attendance at the bottom of the notes that suggests to me that the half vote at this meeting is from EmojiXpress

Joan of Cat (she/her) 😼

@jamuraa @DamonWakes @SnoopJ

That's George from IBM. Horrible elevator accident. He survived, but he's missing the bottom part of his body.

Unsigned Long -> Furpoc

@jamuraa @DamonWakes @SnoopJ There's a table on that page listing the members represented, seems like EmojiXpress is a "Supporting Member" instead of a "Full Member" and probably counts as 0.5

Andrew Pardoe

@DamonWakes @SnoopJ I read this as a joke reference to the MOS 6502 processor, a legend amongst microchips.

Joan of Cat (she/her) 😼

@DamonWakes

I was wondering that too. A mouse is DEFINITELY not 0.5 of a person, let alone 0.502. My guess is that the mouse was like 0.043. Which means, we've yet to account for the missing 0.459 of a person!

R💽nflaix

@SnoopJ "Mouse still at large".

Good ending. I'm hooked.

Ezri ✨
@SnoopJ I like how a mouse counts as 0.2% of a Google.

kinda reminds me of the "fifteen flying squirrels" joke in magic the gathering communities:

there's a flying, reality warping, world destroying eldritch horror called "Emrakul" with a statline of 15 atk/15 def (it's the beefiest tournament sanctioned card in the game). due to the mechanics of the game though, it can be defeated by, for example, 15 flying 1/1 squirrels
@SnoopJ I like how a mouse counts as 0.2% of a Google.

kinda reminds me of the "fifteen flying squirrels" joke in magic the gathering communities:

Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊

@SnoopJ

Let no one state that they're unwilling to acknowledge active representation by a party who is clearly invested in the proceedings.

kaia
@SnoopJ
they also included it next day :laughing_cirno:
Ross Schulman

@SnoopJ I read this as "moose" and was EXTREMELY confused for a minute.

Zash

@SnoopJ I would like to nominate Mouse for Board!

Scott Jampa

@zash @SnoopJ
<reads votes>
mouse
mouse
...
mouse...
<looks around nervously>
swope...

...mouse...
<now glaring> mouse...
mouse.

Scott Jampa

@zash @SnoopJ
MOUSE SAYS THE BORMAN SIX GIRL
IS GOT TO HAVE SOUL

Per Funke

@SnoopJ

Humor is the solution to most problems.

Simon Cozens

@SnoopJ

"Meeting adjourned at 2:33 pm.

Mouse still at large."

nyami

@SnoopJ @0xabad1dea The mouse has 0.002 votes on the Consortium, which is more than me!

How many votes would a cat have?

Tonio Loewald

@SnoopJ when does that mouse get its own emoji?

John McKerrell

@DoESLiverpool one to look forward to for a future board meeting?

ᴚ uɐᗡ

@SnoopJ that's just what happens when you hold meetings at a run-down Love Hotel 🏩

Joël Franusic

@SnoopJ @Srl295 looks like you were present, do you have any additional rodent related anecdotes to share with us?

Steven R. Loomis

@jpf @SnoopJ It was the office near Alviso, now closed. Nice scenic little town, I always enjoyed spending time there. Lots of bird life, and.. other wildlife. More on that.

Steven R. Loomis

@jpf @SnoopJ Food is often an important part of hosting a gathering, and this is no exception. The north campus had no cafeteria, and some great restaurants but not in walking distance, so the food was trucked in from 555 Bailey. I had to do some analytics to figure out how many brownies or sodas to seat out each day, etc.

Steven R. Loomis

@jpf @SnoopJ Facilities (we were a tenant) was aware of a persistent issue where mice, looking for a place to go, would somehow get into vents and climb up into the ceiling. Had to make sure not to leave food out and so on. Anyway, I didn’t see the mouse fall out of the ceiling but I was glad it didn’t fall on someone, or worse. It landed in some marinara sauce. The lid was closed, and the whole container taken outside where the mouse was released.

Steven R. Loomis

@jpf @SnoopJ On second thought I think the mouse went into hiding behind a cabinet. Landlord did capture it later and take it out. I think the food was closed up and taken away.

SnoopJ

@Srl295 @jpf I am beside myself with joy over this additional ceiling-mouse lore, never would have thought marinara sauce was part of the story!

Nire Bryce

@SnoopJ landlord? smh of all things i'd think unicode would own it's own address space

mrchan
@SnoopJ Did they show the work for calculating it constitutes 0.002 of a member?
Squirrel

@SnoopJ An example of design by committee. This is why we can't have a simple Unicode that makes sense.

Chris Bohn

@SnoopJ I'm trying to decide if that particular fraction was chosen to get "6502". Was it suggested by the Apple representative?

SnoopJ

@DocBohn it does seem like 0.002 was a convenient way to get the count to come out to the infamous MOS part number

wary starship

@SnoopJ “Meeting adjourned at 2:33 pm. Mouse still at large.”

aismallard (relocated!)

@SnoopJ Wow the mouse came all that way to attend the committee meeting, and they immediately resolve to have it exiled??

azteclady

@SnoopJ This wholesome content has improved my day exponentially (don't ask where the day was before this)

Charlie Galvin

@SnoopJ That was no mouse! That was your agent from Rodential Insurance. “Own a Piece of the Maze!”

Maverynthia🌱

@SnoopJ

"Thursday, November 10, 2016

Meeting opened at 9:36 am.

6.002 members represented: Adobe, Apple, Google, IBM, Microsoft, UCB, Mouse"

Mouse still in the house.

Steven R. Loomis

@SnoopJ Will have to note that action item as closed

janusfox

@SnoopJ 6502 I see what they did there! 8-bit for life!

stuebinm
@SnoopJ love how the mouse is still present the next day. maybe it just likes hanging out in committee meetings?
Chloe Raccoon

@SnoopJ @VulpineAmethyst Hah! This is so great, I'm reading it in tom "grumpy emoji expert" scott's voice... ;)

Jayne :wales_flag:🇪🇺🏳️‍🌈

@SnoopJ

I love this ❤️

I have similar memories about some whimsical meeting minutes when I was on the committee drafting the UK's Data Protection Act in 1984 😂

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