Gregory's Server@SnoopJ https://avdt.vpro.nl/browse?layout=episode_timeline&layoutParam=theme&filter=%7B%22tags%22%3A%5B%22recGlcUNVMVrmDkdA%22%5D%7D&episode=recJQWTbAsMW8lReg&mode=simple is the tv programme that I was thinking of. It's in Dutch, but interviews are in English.
@bencomp @SnoopJ search for ‘unicode’, or use this direct link: https://avdt.vpro.nl/browse?episode=recJQWTbAsMW8lReg