 I don't think we'll see a federated Clubhouse or TikTok anytime soon. The correlation between ease of content creation and the success of federated projects is clear, low-effort mediums like text or photos are much easier to participate in than others. 22 comments
I have to say though, I'm really impressed that Mastodon didn't adopt Fleets/Stories. They could have, but clearly saw something that even Twitter didn't. I'm not quite sure what that was, but I think all mastodon users owe Gargron a thank you for sticking to his vision and not just adopting the latest "hip" feature!  @grishka @dansup Not to say that TikTok would have no place in the Fediverse, but besides its implementation, I'd be a lot more interested in seeing how someone would approach making something like a Fediverse TikTok clone fit in. As far as I'm concerned, TikTok _is_ its recommendation system. it does kind of feel like a distilled version of what we're all trying to avoid, but maybe that's just me projecting
 @dansup We won't see a federated TikTok because the core of what made TikTok popular is an advanced video recording & editing app and an advanced content discovery algorithm. It is not enough to just create a server that accepts video file uploads and distributes them to followers and call it "federated TikTok". @Gargron Yeah I agree with that, but I'd say its more than just the editing + algorithm. The onboarding is something else, not requiring an account to browse the feed is interesting. It kind of reminded me of pleroma, used to think it was tacky they didnt have a landing page but maybe they are on to something. @dansup Sure, I agree that's beneficial. Though I doubt they would allow browsing anonymously if they didn't have a good algorithm for showing popular content. @YaYu @dansup Video editing is slightly more complicated to code than your typical text with autocomplete and image attachments that you see in fediverse apps. I don't think we'll see it from a fediverse developer without significant financial investment and a respect for what made the original popular. Not that I think TikTok needs to be added to the fediverse. I'm not a fan of straight up clones anyway. @Gargron @dansup I don't think the editor matters. I wonder if it's possible to do a TF two tower recommendations model in a way that's privacy preserving and still accomplishes tiktok's responsiveness (https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.07663), while using a federated model for video hosting, delivery, and perhaps even the deep learning processing. Thinking deeply about this lately. Have your thoughts changed?  @dansup I think a federated Clubhouse could be a really interesting project to work on, building on both WebRTC and ActivityPub, but I also worry that it would be the final tipping point in the collapse of civilisation as we know it. Daniel Appelquist, the real clubhouse didn't collapse the civilization... Not even when I made an unofficial Android app for it and got way too much attention. Neither did skypecasts. Neither did "phone ether", which was a glitch in some Soviet telephone exchange equipment that caused some nonexistent numbers to work like voice chat rooms. @grishka having been on Clubhouse for a while believe me – it's not a good place. It's not a good idea. "The correlation between ease of content creation and the success of federated projects suggests low-effort platforms proliferate" or "Any organization that designs a system of user generated content will produce a design whose success can be correlated to the effort required for that medium" ~ dansup's law  |
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And even then, you can look at the proliferation of TikTok videos on Instagram Reels as another issue.
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