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smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@dsfgs @dansup @grishka

You're referring to Suggested Posts that can have that issue.

Trunk is more like people saying "Hey, I like to talk about this and that subject" and then you add a bunch of them to your Following, which fills your personal timeline based on your topics of interest and you go from there.

You and I are people that discover a following on our own but many others aren't like that. They are disappointed with what they see and the federated timeline is full of crap to them.

2 Jun 2021 at 9:02 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.social
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Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters

@humanetech
That is what hashtags are for. Maybe encourage ppl to search for hashtags until they have 10 followers or subscribe to 15, or until they say, close this and 'Don't remind me in future".

Discourse forum software does nice things to guide people. This might be what Fedi needs.
@dansup @grishka

2 Jun 2021 at 9:08 | Open on activism.openworlds.info
smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@dsfgs @dansup @grishka

Yes, that is true. A wizard-like onboarding tour in a freshly opened account may help educate newcomers how to enjoy their experience.

Is also not for everyone. I found the discobot in Discourse quite annoying, but hey.. you can turn it off too :)

2 Jun 2021 at 9:11 | Open on mastodon.social
smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@dsfgs @dansup @grishka

But still the hashtag approach is 'labour-intensive'. Doing this work is friction were maybe more people than you'd expect throw the towel in the ring. Like those that are just mildly curious what that Fediverse-thing is all about.

And when it comes to it, it is not *that* much different than the trunk approach, especially the functionality of joining a trunk topic group is brought closer to the individual fedizen by app integration (or even AP vocab extension).

2 Jun 2021 at 9:18 | Open on mastodon.social
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters replied to smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@humanetech
This is a #bigBowlOfWrong, sorry.

Our worst fear was a #centralised system, #Trunk, being some kind of magical authority on who gets a #blueCheck and who doesn't.

This #trunk™ will imply #popularity, which goes against the core aspect of Fedi, it will also lead to a duty to vet this list lest face legal/criminal(?) penalties.

Articles online tell people to use #hashtags on Fedi, for communicating and…

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@dansup @grishka

@humanetech
This is a #bigBowlOfWrong, sorry.

Our worst fear was a #centralised system, #Trunk, being some kind of magical authority on who gets a #blueCheck and who doesn't.

This #trunk™ will imply #popularity, which goes against the core aspect of Fedi, it will also lead to a duty to vet this list lest face legal/criminal(?) penalties.

2 Jun 2021 at 9:58 | Open on activism.openworlds.info
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters replied to Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters

@humanetech
(2/2)… for #search. Some instances even ask people to list some hashtags in their profile that interest them. We can expand on this to encourage good use of hashtag.

Proceed with Trunk™ and we'll have no choice but to consider your service compromised.

This is how strongly we will fight against #hypnoticSuggestion and centralisation in Fedi.

Eugen has already cut admins out from new users, making it more difficult for admins to passively talk to Fedizens.

@dansup @grishka

@humanetech
(2/2)… for #search. Some instances even ask people to list some hashtags in their profile that interest them. We can expand on this to encourage good use of hashtag.

Proceed with Trunk™ and we'll have no choice but to consider your service compromised.

This is how strongly we will fight against #hypnoticSuggestion and centralisation in Fedi.

2 Jun 2021 at 10:04 | Open on activism.openworlds.info
Nat🔆
@dsfgs @humanetech @grishka
I definitely get the concern; in fact, this does feel pretty reminiscent of one particularly nasty antifeature on Instagram where they keep you scrolling forever on your home feed by showing tailored content after all of your most recent posts. I think it's probably safe enough, though, assuming this *only ever* happens for people who aren't following anyone, and they keep using @dansup 's approach to making suggestions.

Especially with something like Pixelfed, you've really got to know your audience. As someone coming from Instagram myself, I don't think I've ever intentionally used hashtags. Unless I'm just an edge case, I'm assuming that at this point, hashtags are mostly used to generate more tailored content on the backend. And as a result, I don't touch hashtags much while on the Fediverse either. I'm not super big on suggestions, and it's definitely something the Pixelfed client I'm working on won't touch in a million years, but if that's the best way to keep people from getting turned off immediately from the Fediverse then the ends might justify the means on this one.
@dsfgs @humanetech @grishka
I definitely get the concern; in fact, this does feel pretty reminiscent of one particularly nasty antifeature on Instagram where they keep you scrolling forever on your home feed by showing tailored content after all of your most recent posts. I think it's probably safe enough, though, assuming this *only ever* happens for people who aren't following anyone, and they keep using
2 Jun 2021 at 14:49 | Open on social.njms.ca
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters

@nat
The ends do not justify the means.

Literature on the web says #Fedi is powered by hashtags like #introduction. It is the only way to #search on Fedi ethically, ie. a person should only be found based on keywords and phrases *they* choose. By not using #hashtags you are dismissing an integral part of Fedi.

Forgetting hashtags, theres the Federated timeline if you don't follow anyone. Other prompts can inform till 15 follows.

We suggested a Variety timeline.

@dansup @grishka @humanetech

@nat
The ends do not justify the means.

Literature on the web says #Fedi is powered by hashtags like #introduction. It is the only way to #search on Fedi ethically, ie. a person should only be found based on keywords and phrases *they* choose. By not using #hashtags you are dismissing an integral part of Fedi.

2 Jun 2021 at 16:04 | Open on activism.openworlds.info
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters replied to Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters

@nat @dansup @grishka @humanetech
Please don't break the spirit and foundational principles of Fedi for new users.

One could see this as a zero day attack.

We will only steer them to the mainstream influencers at the beginning.

What kind of silliness is this?

This is the time to inform the user that Fedi works differently and to step them through what makes Fedi so great.

How old does a user need to be to pull them from the #gamified #Fakebook model

These people want something different.

@nat @dansup @grishka @humanetech
Please don't break the spirit and foundational principles of Fedi for new users.

One could see this as a zero day attack.

We will only steer them to the mainstream influencers at the beginning.

What kind of silliness is this?

This is the time to inform the user that Fedi works differently and to step them through what makes Fedi so great.

2 Jun 2021 at 16:12 | Open on activism.openworlds.info
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters replied to Dick Smiths Fair Go Supporters

@nat @dansup @grishka @humanetech

Make no mistake, this is the beginnings of the #InfluencerModel. The very fact this gamable model, is being seriously considered indicates something.

2 Jun 2021 at 16:28 | Open on activism.openworlds.info
smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@nat @dansup @grishka @dsfgs

I also don't know what is best, and fully agree that impact and possible negative side-effects of any feature need to be carefully considered, and then - if possible - reinvented to not have them.

(That means we should be able to discuss them and immediate throwing of #ArtificialImpoverishment to our accounts by @dsfgs is a conversation killer, not helpful for fedi future)

The notion of "I am interested to socialize on these subjects" is worth brainstorming on.

3 Jun 2021 at 5:58 | Open on mastodon.social
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