@darius One thing to consider is whether communities...

One thing to consider is whether communities explicitly defined allow for taking the concept next-level on the fediverse.

Now it is mostly implicit i.e. instance boundary, discourse forum, etc.

An explicit definition as a domain model, allows modeling things on top of that when needed, such as Membership + Roles, or Governance.

( @hamishcampbell started talk on the latter which - if federated - would require a meta-model AP extension to define policies. See https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/what-would-a-fediverse-governance-body-look-like/1497/51 )

Like 23 Apr 2021 at 5:47 | Wall-to-wall | Open on mastodon.social

21 comments

Darius Kazemi

@humanetech @hamishcampbell This is all very much of interest to me. Are you aware of my "neighborhoods" work? (It's not a formal proposal because I'd rather build it first, see how it works in practice, and then make a proposal)

23 Apr 2021 at 16:06 | Open on friend.camp

hamish campbell

@darius @humanetech intresting.

23 Apr 2021 at 16:10 | Open on mastodon.social

smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@darius

No, I wasn't aware. It looks like a great concept. With your permission I will reference this toot on SocialHub.. is there a link to these docs I can also include?

Community domain should be quite basic. Probably instance-bound initially, crossing instance barriers later on.

Ppl from #valueflows are also interested: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/standardizing-on-a-common-community-domain-as-ap-extension/1353/16

Others too, probably. Solid community?

PS. Note that @grishka with #smithereen is also looking into creating 'cozy' community.

@hamishcampbell

@darius

No, I wasn't aware. It looks like a great concept. With your permission I will reference this toot on SocialHub.. is there a link to these docs I can also include?

Community domain should be quite basic. Probably instance-bound initially, crossing instance barriers later on.

Ppl from #valueflows are also interested: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/standardizing-on-a-common-community-domain-as-ap-extension/1353/16

Expand text...

23 Apr 2021 at 20:32 | Open on mastodon.social

Darius Kazemi

@humanetech @grishka @hamishcampbell here you can link this! https://gist.github.com/dariusk/53cf4c52d499304c53df4a3839ad0e00

23 Apr 2021 at 20:49 | Open on friend.camp

Gregory

@humanetech @darius @hamishcampbell though it's not the usual-for-Mastodon "instance = community". In the end, I want to blur the lines between instances as much as technically possible.

24 Apr 2021 at 5:01 | Open on mastodon.social

smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@grishka pity I couldn't join SocialCG.. spent 2 hrs before in EC webinar prep call, which I expected would be 0,5hr.

But I'm reading the meeting notes 😃

@darius @hamishcampbell

24 Apr 2021 at 5:18 | Open on mastodon.social

hamish campbell

@grishka @humanetech @darius The is a good discussern to be had about tech around - the whole, groups and the individual. power/community/sovereignty etc.

24 Apr 2021 at 7:53 | Open on mastodon.social

smallcircles (Humane Tech Now)

@darius

A great article that is related to this is now on frontpage of HN:

https://www.projecthorseshoe.com/reports/featured/ph18r8.htm

It's in context of game design, but the social relationships explained are interesting well beyond that.

@hamishcampbell @grishka

1 May 2021 at 9:13 | Open on mastodon.social

Darius Kazemi

@humanetech @hamishcampbell @grishka ahhh coauthored by my old colleague Erin! This is bound to be good, she's very smart

1 May 2021 at 22:01 | Open on friend.camp

Sebastian Lasse, redaktor.me

@humanetech @darius @grishka @hamishcampbell

Hey Darius,
redaktor had a nice meeting together with Lynn and Bob, valueflows and Mayel of https://bonfirenetworks.org

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/bonfire-and-redaktor-introduction-alignment-meeting/1463/2
–

re. the SOLID community we had a meeting with Angelo Veltens (SOLID core dev).

Yesterday we had a very nice official SocialCG meeting where Dimitri also said, he would be interested in connecting AP/SOLID. Angelo prepared a kind of a TODO list as he knows every detail about SOLID. 1/3

@humanetech @darius @grishka @hamishcampbell

Hey Darius,
redaktor had a nice meeting together with Lynn and Bob, valueflows and Mayel of https://bonfirenetworks.org

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/bonfire-and-redaktor-introduction-alignment-meeting/1463/2
–

re. the SOLID community we had a meeting with Angelo Veltens (SOLID core dev).

Expand text...

24 Apr 2021 at 6:02 | Open on mastodon.social

Sebastian Lasse, redaktor.me

@humanetech @darius @grishka @hamishcampbell

However, with 8 people recently we failed for public funding the 10th time [NGI0 3rd time] and from now on redaktor is working with VC money :( so that valueflows or SOLID became less important **unfortunately** …

btw:
Always named friend.camp and Hometown as brilliant examples in funding applications :)
https://gist.github.com/dariusk/53cf4c52d499304c53df4a3839ad0e00
You wrote “people in your own vetted server who all abide by the same rules as you” and @redchrision said : 2/3

@humanetech @darius @grishka @hamishcampbell

Expand text...

24 Apr 2021 at 6:03 | Open on mastodon.social

Sebastian Lasse, redaktor.me

@humanetech @darius @grishka @hamishcampbell @redchrision

“so when you as an admin were peering with another instance you are showing your set of values, and if that other instance believes that they are sharing those values, that instance can peer with you” and redaktor would like to do this as well. Had a meeting with Cristina too cause for redaktor would like to work on a trust pattern everybody can use.

24 Apr 2021 at 6:04 | Open on mastodon.social

Darius Kazemi

@sl007 @humanetech @grishka @hamishcampbell yes @redchrision has the right idea!

24 Apr 2021 at 7:33 | Open on friend.camp

Sebastian Lasse, redaktor.me replied to Darius

@darius @humanetech @grishka @hamishcampbell @redchrision

yes. And I would like the idea of having an interoperable set of human values and principles so that it would also work e.g. Hometown <-> redaktor –
also talked with Dr. Henderson of St. Andrews …

Some ideas for redaktor regarding limiting power and establishing trust (it's a mess) :
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/intervention-after-2021-storming-of-the-united-states-capitol-wip/1298

24 Apr 2021 at 7:54 | Open on mastodon.social

[DATA EXPUNGED]

Darius Kazemi

@jalcine my patreon is where I occasionally post ideas like.... every three months tops. Don't feel obligated, you'll get the good updates just following what I release!