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Darius Kazemi

So Seth Abramson is one of the sloppiest public thinkers I have ever encountered, who circa 2016 helped invent the rhetorical style of the buckle-up-for-some-politics Twitter mega-thread. He has advised people who listen to him that they should avoid "Mastodon" (he means the Fediverse I think).

post.news/article/2IanIj231d7n

I cannot overstate how much this means we are doing something right over here.

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AZITA

@darius
A 200+ comment thread of people piling up on a guy for essentially being a nerd— not that he did something abusive or harsh to anyone— but “we just don’t like him so haha he got booted!” Feels yucky. I originally read his post just to try to understand how this whole thing works and I do find it concerning that your account can just be deleted with no reason given. “Harrowing” doesn’t seem terribly inapt, if I imagine it happening to other social media accounts I’ve had.

Darlene Cypser

@darius
I have never understood the panic over "admins can read your DMs." Admins can also read your e-mail if they are bored out of their minds but I don't see anyone panicking over that. It has been said of all superusers: with great power comes great responsibility.

Julesfinn

@darius never used Twitter. Just started using mastadon. I'm really enjoying it so far!

Theophile Escargot

@darius Hilariously halfway down the comments he says he refuses to ask the admin why he was banned because that's "not his job", but apparently it is his job to write thousands of words of rant about it

Mi Go (teno)

@darius what Anna credibly long winded way to say “I’m butthurt”

Schornick

@darius So he got mystery banned and didn't investigate why, which is what a journalist would do.

It's also what a lawyer would do. Seth's a lawyer.

As a lawyer he knows, or should know, that pleading your case requires having as much evidence as you can that supports your case. You don't necessarily have to introduce it, but you've got to have it, and he just blew that part off.

So we're left with (a) no clue what happened, and (b) a Proustian-length complaint, or rant, or whatever it is, condemning an alternative to proprietary social media.

He left out the most important element, the one element we all need to know to understand this situation.That's all I got.

@darius So he got mystery banned and didn't investigate why, which is what a journalist would do.

It's also what a lawyer would do. Seth's a lawyer.

As a lawyer he knows, or should know, that pleading your case requires having as much evidence as you can that supports your case. You don't necessarily have to introduce it, but you've got to have it, and he just blew that part off.

steve

@darius all I can say is, and I know he'll never see this (because he's been banned) but, if I had a mastodon instance I'd ban him on sight too

KLB

@darius how would he have lost access to his account though?

PJ Perez :tio:

@darius bah, it's best to just ignore these people. They add nothing valuable to society.

Paul :python: :django:

@darius He is chilled to the bone after learning that the administrator of a server can access content on that server.

Brian Drell 🇺🇦

@darius What an intellectually lazy screed that was. He has no concept of word economy. Why use one word when you can use a thousand?

gravely

@darius Seth sure is making a big fuss for a libertarian who claims to be civil!

FoolishOwl

@darius It's like the men in the 90s who'd shout into cell phones to show how important they were.

Kevin Teljeur ❄️

@darius @jwz I don’t think that I can handle reading the entire article. What of it I read is painfully uninformed, like a child analysing the concept of taxes or the postal system after reading nothing about it.

Wraithe

@darius this is probably the most underwhelming use of the word “harrowing” I’ve seen since some kid on the XBox forums used it to describe being chat banned in COD for calling everyone homophobic slurs.

nburdy 🏳️‍🌈 🦩

@darius blocked him on twitter early on, and now the dude is rampant on Post. Some have his number, others lapping it up. Tool.

halcy​:icosahedron:

@darius @jwz the followup where he notices that it costs money to run a computer is honestly even more spectacular. Like, this post at least is coherent, kind of. The „admins have a financial stake in their instance“ thing is just entirely baffling, a sequence of words that mean nothing

robert daniel pickard

@darius "I have never had my social media account at any social media platform suspended. But it just happened at Mastodon" bahahaha.

There's no

Darius Kazemi

@rdp it's interesting to me that he sees himself as banned from a *platform*, which I think describes a material reality and relationship between user and service that does not line up with fediverse. To me, he was banned from a *website*

robert daniel pickard

@darius It's written exactly like those "suburban parent goes to the city and is *horrified* by what they see" stories. the people who confuse the privatization of public spaces as being explicitly for them so they're the most special snow flakes.

like most normies he refuses to engage with anything foreign to his world view on it's own terms, he just assumes its all for him so he's totally unable to cope when he isn't the focus. just totally glitches out.

and he writes like shit

Jason Edgecombe

@darius Mastodon has reached GandhiCon level 3 "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win."

GreenDotGuy

@darius in the first part of the article he demonstrates some knowledge of how the service works, then here he throws it all away.

Imagine someone saying "I was kicked off of email for something capricious. Don't use email."

ploink

@darius everything I read there was basically a critique of the server he’s on rather than any evidence that mastodon is bad.

It’s actually inadvertently kind of an argument FOR mastodon as there are a ton of instances and you can pick one you agree with instead of being forced into one that doesn’t work for you.

Joe Pallas

@darius I asked #ChatGPT “What distinguishes a journalist from anyone else with an opinion and a social media platform?” and it said

“While anyone can have an opinion and share it on social media, journalists are distinguished by their commitment to gathering and presenting factual information and news. This includes conducting research and interviews, verifying information, and presenting multiple sides of a story.” Oops.

Chris Winters

@darius Used to follow him on the bird site until I was so sick of seeing ONLY his mile-long threads, each one flagged BREAKING: even when he was just recapping something I read in the New York Times a few hours before. Unfollowing cleaned up my feeds in a major way. I'm just hoping he doesn't become that obnoxious-party-guest-who-never-leaves over on Post, because I think Post is kinda neat.

Ed Suominen

@darius I think he has a valid point here, though. If an often nameless and entirely unaccountable instance admin can wipe your account just like that, it could make for some very abusive power dynamics.

I’m left of this writer politically and have sworn off #Twitter for reasons he states. I’m unwilling to provide content to some billionaire narcissist playboy. This is it for me.

But we do ourselves no favors to pretend there aren’t issues with #Mastodon.

Quotation from the article: “But what about those people who are now setting up permanent digital camp at Mastodon, deleting their Twitter accounts and putting all their social media eggs into a single, mammoth basket? How would you feel if you had spent a year posting on Mastodon only to be banned from it because you linked to another social media platform? Heck, as many hear it Post have pointed out lately and as I already pointed out above, Post is at this point almost defined by a large number of people linking to Twitter, which I am sure is a trend that will diminish over time but is certainly not one Noam or any member of his team even has any strong opinion on let alone would deign to police; can you imagine a single link to Twitter or Post on Mastodon getting you banned from that site after you’ve been using it long-term, putting all your energies into being part of one of its micro-communities? It is unthinkable. I imagine it would feel a bit like a digital assassination.”
TracingCOVID

@darius When we get to quote-toot and translate foreign languages, even better for the 🐘 -verse.

Jules

He is the absolute worst on Post.

Jules

@darius I spend my time on Post and he makes it unbearable. I am so glad he is not here.

mechtild jd

@darius

His advise: Do not use #mastodon because you might get banned and not be able to use it.

Got circular logic?

Love this: "... who circa 2016 helped invent the rhetorical style of the buckle-up-for-some-politics Twitter mega-thread."

A cherisher of the beloved pithy concise witty in as few characters as possibl tweet he is not

Seth: u r 2+ 4 @m, c?

KBLeecaster ✅

@darius
Seth is definitely an arrogant grifter, but there are worse than him for sure.

Alex for Ally :fuck_verify:

@darius
are you serious? you don't realise that you're just confirming the points he made >:)?

MathiasTCK

@darius he did not take getting kicked off that mastodon instance well. He has since deleted his tweets from that time period.

Joost

@darius So I loathe Seth Abramson and his brand of self-aggrandizing clout-chasing, and I wouldn't miss his presence for a second.

So I'm not inclined to take his word for why he was banned, which he says was just for posting a link to his Post account.

But what did he get banned for then? Because it's true that it would be problematic if people were banned for just linking an account of theirs elsewhere.

Darius Kazemi

@almodozo We do not know, and in the comments to his article he says he did not bother to find out.

Joost

@darius Nobody here has explained why? Even if just to counter Seth's misinformation about it?

Darius Kazemi

@almodozo Nobody has explained why because we do not know why it happened.

However, I am not saying this happened in this case but:

I think it is okay for an administrator of a server to ban someone because they personally do not like them, as long as that is not prohibited by the published rules of their server. Abramson picked a server run by a person volunteering their time, and should not expect a "customer service" style relationship with them.

Darius Kazemi

@almodozo And to be extra clear, I have written extensively on why I believe servers should not have more than about 100 people on them, and in part it is to prevent misunderstandings like this on both sides of the situation.

runyourown.social

Joost

@darius Oof. Yeah, I'd disagree really. Even on the small, old-school web forum where I coordinated the volunteer moderators for a couple of years, we tried to be conscientious about banning people and removing posts on the basis of rules — not just because, eh, we didn't like 'em.

pont

@darius TLDR, he got banned from a single mastodon instance, and therefore no mastodon instance can be trusted.

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