@Gargron thanks for this. i love them for spoilers and particularly triggering topics, but i am a fan of using hashtags for subjects so people can mute them. seeing CW's for every little thing just disrupts the flow (IMO).

@Gargron

Well said!

@Gargron It is nice to hear that because I'm seeing a lot of pseudo gatekeeping along the lines of "all you new people, here's the rules, shoes off, only sit on the furniture that has plastic on it, we don't use the silverware and please wash the disposable plates when you are done" so to speak.

@Gargron Thank you, this is a very nice sentiment

@Gargron Glad to hear this. Was starting to think I’d need to find somewhere else to go.

@gargron Thank you for saying this I was starting to feel guilty about being here like I was an unwanted house guest.

@Gargron That last sentence is very important, thank you!

@Gargron still learning the #fediverse culture. Thank you for your honest and fearless thoughts. More power to you Sir!

@Gargron thank you for writing this I'm of the same mind on this issue and I'm really hoping the 4.0 filtering will alleviate the hostility around content warnings.

Also sorry I have been a bit bothersome and complained so much in the past (and possibly recently), I really appreciate everything you've done to make Mastodon a success.

Thank you.

@Gargron 💯

@Gargron Will the Mastodon update be available on Google Play in the near future?

@Gargron that said, I hope people leaving a toxic environment don’t bring toxic habits with them. I’m more interested in adapting to this more elegant, peaceful environment than trying to make it something else. It’s been a warm welcome here and I appreciate it.

@Gargron Thank you for this. As one of the newcomers, and I can't speak for any but myself, but I believe most of us came here wanting to be respectful to the established community and we want to do our best and fit in. Thanks to you and everyone else for making us feel welcome.

@Gargron This is so good to hear/read! Thanks!

@Gargron I just learned about the forum. Looks great! Wondering if I may ask, where does the term "Fediverse" comes from?

@Gargron Great comments.
I believe the beauty of the fediverse is that we can agree on the protocol and tools, and every group can decide their own moderation rules.
Having thousands of independent sites enables each community to self-regulate (as they probably know themselves better), the rest of us may choose to engage or not.
I know that at this point we are all trying to beef up our servers to accommodate the new comers, but in the long run many of them would run their own instances too.

@Gargron Thank you!

@Gargron 👍

@Gargron Thank you for this update. There's a lot of strong voices in the CW debate so it's nice to hear from people in charge of servers to get their take.

@Gargron Voice of inclusion.

@Gargron perfect. 👏

@Gargron I'm really appreciative of how welcoming that you and so many others have been. Thanks for having us!

@Gargron I like this explanation

@Gargron I'm new here and I really appreciate the content warning culture and general non-harassment vibe. ofc CW shouldn't be used to silence or hide discussion of anti-Blackness, transphobia or other oppression, but I think it's a good norm to have.

leaving Twitter, I've been trying to be intentional about having an online experience not ruled by toxicity and feedback loops of anger and negativity. I appreciate how both Mastodon design and Mastodon culture encourage that

@Gargron This is an attitude, a way of thinking, I have unlearnt over the last years, but will come back t me quickly. It is good for me.

@Gargron thank you for saying new users have a right to create the culture too. I’ve read a few things this evening that has made me feel really unwelcome as a new user. Nice to see a counter narrative.

@Gargron that’s really helpful thank you

@Gargron Yeah, the filters function is perfect for this to start with. I am really enjoying this social media experience.

@Gargron as a new user finding my way around I appreciate this

@Gargron

🙏🙏🙏
Thnx.

@Gargron Thank you for this. I am new and struggling with the new etiquettes, especially around content warnings. I’ve seen a lot that are minor political opinions that I’d never have considered suitable for a warning previously.

@Gargron how do I recover my 2018 account or will it have been removed for inactivity?

@Gargron that’s cool. I don’t mind mastodon being used to folks who spew hate — let them be an island unto themselves — so long as I have the ability to filter them from my experience of the network which the project is providing.

@Gargron Thanks. Danke sehr.

@Gargron I think content warnings are a highly individual, different need from person to person, which cannot be adequately met on the part of the sender.

If you want to act responsibly, sooner or later you will set a content warning for almost everything, which could be implemented more reliably and easily on the recipient side.

#contentwarning #cw #mastodon

@Gargron i am so greatfull for this post. thank you!!

@Gargron true, but if servers have the usage of CW in their terms, you agree to them and you should commit to the terms you agreed to.

@Gargron All due respect, no. Each server has it's own code of conduct and requisite moderation. Toxicity isn't culture.

I do advocate for the warm embrace of Twitter refugees, but that doesn't mean they should come here and be clout chasing assholes.

Thanks for all that you do, gagron. We sure appreciate it, along with the moderation tools.

@Gargron Thank you for saying this, it's a great comfort to have the devs speak out about this

@Gargron Thank you for this! Some of those welcome/warning posts by long-term mastodon users came over as quite hostile.

@Gargron Sure there isn't a single culture, but you are in a position to push communities to have good standards. Point 1 of the server covenant is an example of you doing just that.

And does it mean mastodon.social and mastodon.online won't require their users to use CWs for types of contents where most of us expected CWs so far?

@Gargron Thankyou. I was starting to think several posts in my feed were subtoots aiming barbs at me for politely querying where different paths to the same end might lie (people not seeing stuff they don't want to), and now I feel like it's clearly a bigger issue and many are grappling with it, not just me.

@gargron

It is refreshing to see a balanced and nuanced approach on a social media platform.

Personally, I like the tiny bit of friction that content warnings introduce, so I will use them where I think it's necessary.

I suspect for most people it's not that they are for or against, but haven't quite worked out WHEN they should or shouldn't apply.

That can be difficult as 90% of people might be into something and 10% might be triggered or upset. Thinking about the 10% can be hard.

@Gargron Not if the "culture" is flat-out toxic.

@Gargron
I try to remember content warnings but sometimes I forget

@Gargron Interesting post Eugen, I fully agree. As someone new here I have to say what confused me the most on Mastodon is indeed the so called #ContentWarning 🙈 Still it makes not much sense in my opinion given the at least for me 🤷‍♂️ sometimes “strange” reasons to put a CW. So I noticed that in 99.99% of the case I even do not even open anymore a post with a CW. For me it’s nice to see in one glance all post so I can decide to read it or not but with CW 🤷‍♂️ it remains a black box.

@Gargron Hmm, yes and no. When you move somewhere, you live by the rules of the new place. Yes, you can bring your culture. But if people are fleeing a toxic culture, does _anybody_ want them to replicate that here?

My corner of mastodon says "use CWs liberally" and I'm happy to adapt to that simple request. I've been putting subject lines in emails for decades now, it's really not a big deal.

@Gargron it's like language. Or any evolutionary system. An ecosystem develops itself. Good bits from the old survive and thrive. Good bits from the new come to dominate. If there are features that really need to be excluded (embedding videos) then people will get the hang, or it'll start being enforced.

CWs are just tedious to me, it takes as long to scroll past one as it does to scroll past the toot itself, given their choice of font. But it's changed my behaviour knowing they are normal.

Thank you! 🙇

@Gargron

Filters are wonderful. I’m gradually building up a small library of them to avoid stuff I just can’t be bothered with.

And Lists to do exactly the opposite - find stuff I want to know about.

Thank you so much for determinedly putting such tools into our hands.

@Gargron Glad to hear you say this. Just read this article: https://www.hughrundle.net/home-invasion/
It amused me, as its how we all felt back when Facebook and Twitter appeared after having had the web to ourselves since the 90s. Mean kids arrived and spoiled it for us all! 😉

@Gargron always love a toot, much nicer than a tweet 😉

@Gargron yes I’m new here and starting to tryout the filters, also thinking about different logins too, one that completely filters out political content (okay people, please don’t start with “everything is political) and one where it’s just that, so I can take a break from it while still remaining engaged on other things.

@Gargron Growing pains. But there should be standards in place

@Gargron well said I think one of the problems is many of the newbies do not have a clear idea about how they can use mastodon settings to determine what they do or don't see. My initial impression is mastodon in a browser is much more customisable than twitter

This is happening. Do not tell me it isn't.

(and left out of the headline: "and threatened to harm a 12-year-old boy")

#Antisemitism #Nazi #NotMyAmerica

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/11/10/23452125/jewish-slurs-west-rogers-park-anti-semitic-heil-hitler-simon-wiesenthal-center

@Gargron I find the idea that if you don't want to click on CWs you can just set your settings to 'open all CW posts' problematic. There are a lot of people who would like CWs for, say, CSA or photos of mass graves but who don't want to scroll through miles of 'cw: food' and 'cw: dog joke.'

@Gargron Thanks, both. I was a tad confused too.

@Gargron That appears a reasonable perspective.

@Gargron this is a wise word to the World.

@Gargron well put

@Gargron it's not a massive issue for me, I can't believe people have such a massive issue with them it takes a millisecond to click and it could be protecting someone's mental health. I think it's a great feature.

@Gargron THANK YOU. This is so helpful

@Gargron I just started here, but I haven't really been anywhere else. I never got into Twitter or other Social networks. But, I heard about Mastadon and decided I'd make this my home. So far, I like what I'm seeing. So, though I'm NOT part of the flood on purpose, I am part of the movement, accidentally. But thanks for recognizing we each are here for different reasons.

@Gargron Die Filter in rc1 funktionieren prima!

@Gargron Telling people what to do is authoritarian. I've seen more authoritarianism of that kind here in ten days than usually on the BirdSite in months.

(That's not counting "must read" pronouncements, which are one of the better ways to prevent me from reading something.)

@Gargron just joined here and i really think its a great idea to make a social media like this ! Will try to learn its features Asap.🫶🏻

@Gargron
Thank you fo rthat clarification, Im so conscience of stepping on the toes of those who have been here for a long time and maybe upsetting them 😬

@Gargron But it is always kind to think about the "original" culture and maybe see benefits and act in accordance. Not mandatory of course.

@Gargron Thank you.

@Gargron Wow, that's a huge statement from on high :) . Appreciate it.

@Gargron Thank you.

@Gargron interesting comment from the person who created tools very much to create a different culture from #birdsite. Tech isn't agnostic, it's human and culture will hijack it. #socialscience has demonstrated again & again the tendency for #socialnetwork to converge towards #polarisation. I assume you won't stay 'passive' when the tipping point happens?

@Gargron It would be very useful to enable CW on an account-by-account basis.

If somebody overuses them - and I've seen a fair bit of that - I'd like to override my setting.

@Gargron Agreed!

@Gargron Thanks for saying this out loud! Some of the veteran users don't seem particularly welcoming with the new ones

@Gargron yes oh great master of cats

@Gargron Would there be any possibility of a $8/month Patreon level?

@Gargron Ok, well I'll stop bothering to cw medical stuff and spoilers. And no more alt-text. *I* can see just fine, so why should I bother?

@Gargron I believe in social tagging. I think the like button should have a tag button next to it for:
- funny
- not funny
- dad joke
- political
- racist
- sexist
- discussion
- calling out
- campaigning

Machine learning could pick up on clusters to identify coordinated tagging attacks.

But whether people make use of tags properly. Identifying a discussion of racism vs promotion of racism vs calling out racism.

@Gargron "at the discretion of the author" is a big joke when I see mastodon.social banning users for not putting CW on cat pictures.

@Gargron we all do!! 💪🏾

@Gargron I've been thinking a lot about this - especially where I've seen words like colonialism tossed around. Newcomers should absolutely respect the norms of the space that was already here. Yet, longtime users might want to guard against becoming "learn the language and assimilate or get out" NIMBY-types too. We're all here to learn and grow together

@Gargron 🙌👏👏👏

@Gargron thanks for saying that I have been really stressed

@Gargron great - gargon's adding quote retoots confirmed.

I always viewed this particular feature war as a moderation issue rather than a technical issue anyway thanks for respecting the new culture.