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There has been a lot of research about autistics over the years, but this one really took the cake! 🍰 Find out what happened when researchers attempted to compare the moral compass of autistic and non-autistic people... (1/2) #actuallyautistic #autism #neurodivergence #comic #art #MastoArt 140 comments
@newtsoda Do you have an URL for the research itself? I'm interested in the results even if the conclusion seems as flawed as you mention.  thank you for the source. it’s even more disgusting than I thought. It’s so glaring that as researchers, they should have become AT LEAST as interested in the poor moral decisions of one group, instead of pathologising the other for their „inflexible“ consistency in Not! Taking! BRIBES! "gaining money" as in: taking bribes for putting kittens in boxes, so that must be okay 😂 Yes, sadly, true. @newtsoda So I do it now : thanks a lot. It made me realize that allistic people twisted my view of myself to the point of absurdity. @belgianzoe I'm happy I was able to help a little. I'm hopeful that we can continue to press for positive awareness and acceptance of autism 🙏  @newtsoda awe your art is so clean and nice and calming! do you have some more story-based calm-narrative ones? (p.s. it also reminds me of how https://www.webtoons.com/en/drama/fluidum/list?title_no=2283 looks)  @newtsoda fabulous work, thank you for that! And thank you for image descriptions ✊🏽 Great to have you here! 🙂 @newtsoda This sort of reminds me of how, for a long long time we where discussed as though we didn't have empathy, where as if anything we, the issue we have an overabundance of empathy & are frequently overwhelmed by it. @newtsoda Love the idea of doing official NT research (I think I have done that for most of my life)! And yes, autistic folks need to speak for themselves. @newtsoda i am autistic and i think that a high percentage of autistic people care about social justice, but let us remember Elon is supposedly autistic tio and hos a self serving a-hole. @newtsoda "INEXPLICABLE COMPULSION TO PROJECT NEGATIVE SUBTEXT INTO SIMPLE CONVERSATIONS" oh jeez this ruins me @newtsoda Besides of the evil framing they decided to give this about autistic people: think about what this tells about how we perceive, build and expect societies to be. @newtsoda@wandering.shop This isn't just biased, it's terrible science. The hallmark of autism is a lower engagement with social norms. Of course autistic people were less likely than allistics to have different views in public than private. (As for higher general morality, that wouldn't shock me either. And I say this as someone who's allistic.) Flawed study, but as an anecdote, it does resemble my real world observation that we behave with a more consistent conviction than NTs (which I contest that they are 'typical', rather they're favoured for being easier to exploit under capitalism) I remember reading a study showing we've a lower representation among hate groups, attributed to having trouble handling the cognitive dissonance that keeps someone entrenched in bigotry It is, isn’t it? I was very happy about it, too! I’m not blind but I find reading comic-style information really hard. I just don’t know where to look! So I was most grateful for being able to just read it. Thank you! twisting good things to be bad isn't just a clear example of bias, but also of cognitive dissonance, they went in believing autistic people were going to be "worse" so when their study failed to reach that conclusion, they had to come up with some other reason why it actually super totally did prove what they wanted.  @newtsoda admittedly, "autistic people have morals and this is bad because" paints a pretty complete picture of the researcher @newtsoda I spotted this research a little while ago at the beginning of my self-dx journey and was shocked. After a year+ of following #ActuallyAutistic peeps I am no longer surprised but still saddened. @joyful It is, thank you! I'm so glad we have #ActuallyAutistic voices starting to fight back against these unfair representations. ^^ @Liveotherwise @newtsoda Before my #autism assessment I had been tested for personality disorders and I remember one of the results in the report was that I "may be too concerned with morality".   Yeah.... let's recruit one arm of the experiment from neurology clinics and the other via flyers from the community (not sure if the same area even), and not even try to compare how rich they are. @newtsoda omg your cartoons are so lovely! Can’t wait to see what more you have to share 💜  @newtsoda I remember when I saw this a few months ago. It was the first time I was honestly ashamed to be allistic. Those researchers, saying autistics are "too concerned" with *doing the right thing?!* Ugh, how infuriating!  @newtsoda Speaking from experience, a lot of psychology researchers are a tad psychopathic, so this doesn't surprise me. @newtsoda those greedy people with no conscience are the ones most rewarded by society. @newtsoda That's fascinating. Do you have a link to the paper? I'd love to read it.  @newtsoda They took the cake and didn't pay for it, as this is apparently a proper neurotypical thing to do! @newtsoda @newtsoda In the old unified religious world views, good and evil were external things you could measure yourself against. Today, when there is no clear moral authority, there is nothing but normal and abnormal. Normal comes to resemble “good” and abnormal “bad”. All of medicine and psychology is based on this. So you can see how moral ideas can creep into studies. @newtsoda This would match my experience as a person with high functioning autism. My wife calls me Mr. Integrity. @newtsoda to me, that study says that autistics aren't susceptible to peer pressure. it's an advantage, in my book. and another tick in my "i'm a bit on the spectrum" list. i'm... obstinate 😁  @newtsoda it’s just mind-boggling to me how normalized psychopathic behavior is in parts of our society, to the point of being required for survival because the system selects for these traits and rewards them with success @newtsoda really takes my cake. just yoinks the goddam pastry how obvious this is. they are literally saying "you care too much". holy shit. This is great. I’m fairly sure I saw that research and I’m so glad someone has put it in such an easy to understand format. Was that you? @newtsoda amazing work. I’m assuming you’re happy for it to be shared everywhere? It seems like that would be the whole point. @anomalousteacup @newtsoda no problem. Done and followed. Excellent comics, by the way. Artwork is amazing. @newtsoda @anomalousteacup oh fuck. Please ignore me. I won’t put anything on Reddit. I’m so sorry. I didn’t see this sooner. X @newtsoda god dammit, this must be why allistic people get annoyed at activism instead of approving of it because they think we're just virtue signalling. @newtsoda this art is really great and communicates the topic well. Very impressive! The sheer audacity that Typicals have when talking about us is unreal! @newtsoda Thanks for highlighting this. Also love that you opted for images rather than a long text thread. 👏 @newtsoda this is a problem with how we talk about mental health and the concept of "sanity" in general honestly. im not the best person to explain this but like, society treats any deviation from "normal brains" (or at least expressing the thoughts and feelings society doesn't consider normal) a bad thing that requires "treatment" and it's so harmful @newtsoda But, really, morality is so out of fashion these days. Autistic people must not be in contact with reality.... our amoral, sad, selfish reality.    @newtsoda The idea that anyone -- *anyone,* researcher or not -- would consider a willingness to sacrifice ethical principles for monetary gain to be mentally *healthier* than standing by one's sense of ethics is.... That's sociopathy. Like, they're literally saying that sociopathy is normal. Not JUST normal, even, but somehow more correct than fundamental altruism. Ugh. In other words: "We were paid to find a problem, and even though the researsh shows none, we'll make one to justify it."  @newtsoda I looked up this study and based on the biased language the researchers used, I think their entire methodology is in question   @newtsoda Apart from the problematic framing of the results, it is interesting that ”ASD individuals prioritize the negative consequences of an immoral action”. Which suggests that autistic people should lean towards consequentialist ethical theories (such as utilitarianism) rather then deontological ones (such as Kant’s golden rule) or virtue based ethics.  @newtsoda @hollie This is exactly why I have a difficult time trusting an allistic person’s intentions. Not only do I find their propensity for dissembling both alarming and confusing, but they also frequently twist my honesty around as well. It’s very frustrating. I end up masking and maintaining detachment until I’m sure I can really trust a person. @newtsoda * Isn't there a new term now for describing people with different degrees of autism spectrum?  Awesome comicking. Needed clearly explaining. They did the same when they discovered our neurons fired more efficiently (they interpreted it as a deficit.) "Right Temporoparietal Junction Underlies Avoidance of Moral Transgression in Autism Spectrum Disorder" Anyway I think I'll start referring to my conscience as my Right Temporoparietal Junction from now on. @newtsoda beautiful summary thank you! In research framed like this, a starting assumption is that any difference from nt controls is a deficit by definition. Poor loves #DodgyScience   @newtsoda oh look it's the evil Autism Speaks narrative that autism is all doom and gloom. It amazes me how much they fail to contextualise and understand we're just fine most of the time. Aand yet they want us to all be the same.  @newtsoda@wandering.shop I know about this one. @newtsoda@wandering.shop For context, here's the full study. Appears to be open-access: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8115877/  @newtsoda wow, this study is pants on head backwards They consider people who stick to their principles "less healthy" than those who are easier to corrupt? Da fuk??   |
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The research was fundamentally flawed and should not be used as evidence that one group is better than the other. It does, however, highlight the problem of biased research that stigmatises everything about us.