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Daniel Supernault

The operational costs for:

pixelfed.social
pixelfed.art
pixelfed.org
fediverse.info
fedidb.org
loops.video
push.pixelfed.net
pubkit.net

Now exceed $4,000 USD per month, we currently get $1,465 from Patreon.

We could use your financial support more than ever while I build a foundation for long term financial support (think official hosting).

Please boost 🙏

pixelfed.org/support-our-proje

72 comments
Paul Orlando Caggegi

@dansup I just pledged to the Kickstarter! Let's make this happen.

MntyFrsh

@dansup Not sure if this is something that's already been suggested, but I feel that a giant "DONATE HERE" link in a very visible part of the Pixelfed UI would help tons.

Daniel Supernault

@mntyfrsh we have one in the footer, I'm hesitant to make it more visible because I don't want apple to reject future app updates due to their clause on collecting 30%

Leandro (Cerberus1746)

@dansup @mntyfrsh Make it big in all other platforms. Or, better, instead of a donation window, have the donation display a message saying "Apple sucks, please donate with another platform"

rany

@dansup @mntyfrsh at least according to getonthestore.com/nonprofit-do

> Apple’s 30% commission applies to payments made through in-app purchases (IAP). However, charitable donations are not processed through IAP, so this commission does not apply to donations made within your app.

Mastodon Migration

@dansup

It is incredible what is being accomplished here for this amount on money. Public social media is us. Now is our time. We can make this happen. Please donate what you can to Pixelfed. ☝️

stanlog

@dansup Build a foundation with Mastodon's team ? It would be more powerful an easier for us (users of the fediverse) to participate, donate, etc...

Only a :verify_anime: fl👀f.

@stanlog@mamot.fr Ohh, a great idea. The result will be that many people in the Fediverse which are outside the so called Mastodon network (which did not exist) will move away from Pixelfed and related things because of the drama of Eugen and the Open Web thing. The Mastodon gGmbH collects 30 K € per month donations and has so much money that they lost last year the for charity status in Germany. So, if they really would help @dansup@mastodon.social they simple could donate to him.

Akash

Le message précédent de @dansup concerne l'instance originale de Pixelfed, mais n'oublions pas que nous sommes nous-mêmes sur des instances financées uniquement par les dons, et c'est ce qui fait l'autonomie, notamment politique, du #fediverse. Alors si vous le pouvez, pensez, de temps en temps, à verser quelques euros aux admins de votre instance Mastodon, Peertube ou autre : c'est le prix de la liberté et de l'indépendance !

#autonomie #liberté

Sven 🛌

@dansup Should those of us who are willing and able to migrate to other instances, to lighten both financial and administrative load?

✍️ Eljo #MorpurgoMedia

@dansup Is there a open document that explains cost per item? And maybe get some companies to pitch in to ensure existence for the future?

Joni Fieggen

@Morpurgo @dansup Yeah, if you're going to throw numbers like that out there while requesting donations, backing them up with how and where you're spending it is kind of table stakes?

Are there corporate sponsors? Like DO, for example? Who pays for the difference now? And so forth.

Alexandro Lacadena 📷

@dansup what do you prefer? Patreon or Kickstarter?

~n

@dansup I wonder how much of this cost is „cloud pricing overhead“

Daniel Supernault

@nblr that's fair, but at the same time, I can't worry about devops.

I have to focus on coding, devops and marketing, otherwise I would go another route.

~n

@dansup I don‘t even know what „worry about devops“ means in that context.
(This is not a question)

toto

@nblr @dansup I would assume it means managing server operations. So keeping the servers running, installing OS upgrades, configuration management. All those things are simpler in cloud providers (for a price of course).

~n

@mrtoto @dansup
When I look at stuff like digital ocean (where some of this is hosted) I'm not sure... i mean... don't people just rent virtual enviroments there that also need updating? i mean... not that everybody does that, but in principle... well... never mind. It wasn't a question anyway. I don't really care too deeply about certain kinds of misery other people chose to live in.

zilti

@mrtoto
Depends. It is basically impossible to make it easier than it is with a freebsd server. Maybe NixOS is about to be as low-maintenance.
The cost overhead of cloud providers is completely obscene. You probably pay multiple times more, especially when you are using one of the big three. Infomaniak is my go-to host nowadays, they're extremely cheap for cloud stuff (and reasonable for "normal" hosting).
@nblr @dansup

Aaron

@dansup do you have a nonprofit?

I ask because if you do that means two things:

1: in the US I can donate using pretax dollars which allows me to contribute considerably more
2: I can submit those contributions to be matched 1:1 by my employer through Benevity

radioactivestardust

@dansup but why then do you want to have an onboarding that leads to one instance? It will raise the server costs even more and you can't meet the monthly costs atm? I don't understand

Daniel Supernault

@bookstardust because a lot of new users do not understand federation, its a complicated step

radioactivestardust

@dansup but they understand discord, i know it's a complicated step, but can't you orientate on how mastodon is doing it? I feel that worked pretty well, adding the alternative but otherwise lead them to pixelfed?

Roma Komarov

@dansup This was probably proposed, but: what if any instance could have some setting in it which says that it is ok with being a “general” one. Then, on the onboarding step, a random instance from a list of instances that participate would be selected, with some simple explanation for a user, a button to randomize it from the same list again, and then a link to all instances?

Roma Komarov

@dansup This could alleviate the load, and distribute the users over more instances, with them being able to opt out, and maybe even set a hard limit over how many users they agree to accept when opting in to this?

(Obviously, these instances should be checked to be “ok” and maybe pledge to the “the respectful platforms”?)

jandi

@kizu @dansup Your idea reminds me of this tiered list of XMPP providers: providers.xmpp.net/

Emil Jacobs - Collectifission

@kizu I came here to make this very suggestion. Thank you, this should be obvious.

@dansup

Daniel Supernault

@kizu That won't work, people who are not familiar with the fedi want to join the flagship instance with the most trust and reliability.

Using random servers to register on is very dangerous, because not all of them are as dedicated to this as I am, some of them don't update frequently or handle mod reports as fast as we do.

For new people, it's essential we provide them the best experience and server, and few can provide the level that I can, because I'm the developer.

Roma Komarov

@dansup Mm, I think maybe we should have a bit more faith in the Fediverse, and other Pixelfed servers? That's why I mentioned the “pledge”, and why I mentioned some moderation over which servers are accepted. Of course, just random servers would be bad from many standpoints.

Not giving an option is saying “all other servers deserve no trust”.

Alfonso Martínez de Lizarrondo

@kizu @dansup it should be easy to check that once an update is released, all the instances that are in that list update without delays. Regarding the reports, the more people in a single server, the more work it will mean for their administrators.

Johannes

@dansup @kizu I think you should at least try to explain it. Mastodon did a good job with that too. Moving between instances should also be a feature with priority. 🙂

Nico

@dansup how about putting the same dedication in your software, you claim for your hosting? Like proper image support, using out-of-date libraries or a GDPR compliant exporter?

Jonathan Hartley

@dansup @kizu I adore you and respect all the work you do immensely, but "only I can do it right" does not sound sustainable, or even healthy for the idea of a distributed fedi. We can all agree that a *totally* random server would be unacceptable. But couldn't you pre-select one from a curated shortlist, while still providing the ability for knowledgeable or opinionated users to override that default?

zilti

@dansup
They already managed to create an account on a federated platform (E-Mail). They'll manage to do it again.
@bookstardust

SkipfordJ

@dansup @bookstardust Isn't "fediverse" half of the name of "pixelfed"? Isn't federation the point?

Dr. Quadragon ❌

@dansup So, you have 8 websties to maintain, 4 software projects to write and you've been taking on more stuff recently.

I MUST warn you about the dangers of burnout at this point.

meduz'

@drq @dansup I guess that’s where a foundation would help: get financial support, hire people (developers) to share the load.

Aarno Aukia

@dansup I work in cloud infrastructure, let me know how I can also donate spare server capacity

Samuel Lison

@dansup as well as donations for the main servers, I think we need to push more on the idea of "decentralization" and teaching people how easy to it to setup your own instances or smaller communities. This reduces cost on the larger servers also. I run Mastodon and Pixelfed for myself and family, for example.

pious high heretic

@samuel @dansup

i'd only get behind this if updates, especially security updates, are quick and done in the background

a web facing thing that isn't updated often is how you get another wordpress

Samuel Lison

@pixelnull @dansup oh, what happened with wordpress? I run mine on a VPS, nothing sensitive on it. It's not an encrypted tool anyway. Unless you mean the sites being used for something more malicious without owners knowledge?

pious high heretic

@samuel @dansup

that and how they are just always getting popped due to bad admining and not being updated

i can see the same thing happening to masto

CadeJohnson

@dansup pixelfed.org/support-our-proje - you are right! I don't post many photos, but I sometimes like to see photographers' work. A dollar or two a month is no big deal - even a few thousand additional supporters will put #pixelfed in the black. Let's go folks . . .

Andy

@dansup Even I don't have an account, you'll get a dollar a month through liberapay for the next 3 years. Since Meta blocked Pixelfed, there must be something. I like real competition for commercial platforms.

Eleder

@dansup I hope you reach soon the financing you need, but please, don't lay the rest of instances aside, because they are what will make PixelFed thrive.

Peter Sullivan

@dansup facing up to the realities of “free as in speech” not “free as in beer.” Support your local Mastodon instance!

Kevin Beaumont

@dansup why not close registrations to spread the cost?

Josh :blobcat_googly2:

@dansup woah, with those numbers it’s probs worth getting an architect in to suggest cost optimisations

Jake

@dansup I don't subscribe to many things but a monthly contribution to keep the Pixelfed lights on is well worth it.

Stephan Dörner

@dansup

"The Pixelfed homepage and "support our project" page both have a banner directing people to a Kickstarter that's almost 200% funded. I wonder if they've cannibalized their own donations by steering people there."

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4

Markus

@dansup I have joined #pixelfed only some days ago and love it aleady. I happily just joined your Patreon with a monthly donation! Keep on your good work 🥳

barczek

@dansup Is there a chance I can donate via PayPal

مسعود :verified:

@dansup

I want to become a supporter. Which of the three support channels do *you* prefer?

Mark Dixon

@dansup how about ISPs host an instance for their customers as a value add. This is how usenet uses to work and it worked pretty well.

Amandine

@dansup hi Dan! I would love to migrate to another pixelfed server. Is it possible to take my posts in the migration?

Gerrit Eicker

@dansup »Official hosting« would be awesome! If you set up something similar to masto.host, I would be very interested in running my own Pixelfed/Loops instance under my own domains with you.

Anthropy :verified_dragon:

@dansup y'know, making the Loops app less about federation and pointing everyone to your own servers doesn't help with this :P

Spencer

@dansup hello! If anybody in your team is in southern Arizona and considering collocation space with transit, please reach out!

Ciáxeres

@dansup I had never thought that the project was going through so much difficulty. Have you ever thought about presenting the project to a college, or collaborating with a foundation like Blender Org or Ubuntu? Maybe this will help reduce costs

Jele

Wer sagt den Neuen, dass, wer kann, im Fedi Geld geben soll, weil keine Aufmerksamkeit und keine Daten verkauft werden?
Es braucht mehr Ehrlichkeit beim Geld, finde ich.

Justin

@dansup step one is to stop the bleeding of funds. Disable sign ups.

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