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Evan Prodromou

If you're looking for a platform without billionaire investors and owners, well, this is the only one.

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malte

@evan How do you think the message can most likely get out?

Steve

@evan Well I could name another, but it tends to get me into trouble :)

Steve

@evan I've been on the @hiveblocks blockchain (dirty word here) for some years. A while back the community rejected a billionaire takeover to stay decentralised. It's a different approach to the fediverse with some good features. My content is under my control and safe as long as someone processes the blocks.

I'd like to see it integrated with the fediverse. Someone did some work on that a while back, but only got as far as showing profiles.

decrypt.co/38050/steem-steemit

@evan I've been on the @hiveblocks blockchain (dirty word here) for some years. A while back the community rejected a billionaire takeover to stay decentralised. It's a different approach to the fediverse with some good features. My content is under my control and safe as long as someone processes the blocks.

Vic Uzumeri

@evan

The distributed administration and diverse community structure also give it resistance to large scale bot and disinfo campaigns.

My main beef is that some design constraints of ActivityPub are generally poorly explained.

E.g, I've seen virtually no discussion about its "lossy" memory model. No instance sponsor can afford to archive all of the Fediverse message traffic. Hence, full search is impossible.

To me, that's a feature of ActivityPubs resistance to abuse. But others expect it.

👺防空識別區👹 (sojourn maxxing)

@vicuzumeri Data impermanence and content obscurity is a feature as far as I'm concerned. @evan

Vic Uzumeri

@adiz @evan

I fully agree, but it turns off my wife! I haven't succeeded in explaining the tradeoff to her 😞

👺防空識別區👹 (sojourn maxxing)

@vicuzumeri She's unsalvageable. Leave her on the pastures of Meta to get harvested like digital livestock. @evan

Vic Uzumeri

@adiz @evan

Umm ... are you married? There are costs to that strategy.

I'm just asking if some folks who are smarter than me can help craft an effective story. I suspect there are quite a few potential converts who might be helped.

You know, a "feature, not bug" type explanation.

Regendans

@vicuzumeri @evan If you host a Mastodon (or Akkoma, Sharkey, GoToSocial, Epicyon, PixelFed and so on) instance for your family and if the software supports full text search and you'd enable it would that be a good compromise ?

Vic Uzumeri

@regendans @evan

I don't think there is any need to compromise on the design.

The limited distribution and archiving creates valuable friction against nefarious actors.

I can still search and find a ton of stuff, especially if my instance supports good feeds and I use hashtags effectively.

My point is that I've met many newbies who react in horror when they can't instantly find everything they want with a plain text search. "I can in X!"

IMO, just needs a clear and cogent explanation.

cognitively accessible math

@vicuzumeri @adiz @evan It's growing your own instead of letting a billionaire plant and grow the fruit trees they want you to pick from?

Puck Rickenbacker

@vicuzumeri
I'm currently looking into setting up a friendrica server for my FB friends, many who stay because they don't want to lose each other. It seems to look most like FB and if I can get them to try it, and they're all there, I think they'll be hooked. The trick is to get them to try it en masse I think, so no one is bumbling around alone. Not everyone wants to put in the work to curate their feed with no algorithm, so I'm going to try to get them in on the same day.

Mary Hilton

@Puck @vicuzumeri the biggest problem with trying to get people off FB is the fact that they like the content being fed to them.
For the most part they're not particularly tech savvy or even learned in the ways of doing things other than guided by billionaires.
Mastodon and others are not that complicated for those who understand the intricacies, but not everyone can understand that. Most people on Mastodon are pretty technology oriented to start.

Mik3y

@vicuzumeri @evan Do we even know how much data is Put through the fediverse a day? What's the closest estimate?

David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)

@evan Or, rather, there are a lot of them and they all interoperate.

Joe Steinbring :thisisfine:

@evan ... but I'm willing to receive a billion-dollar gift if someone wants to change that. 😜

Gelt-Seeking Gastropod 🐚

@joe @evan

Sorry. My billionaire folks took that back after reading my TL. Please accept this jar of bread ties I saved up as a conoslation prize, though.

katzenberger

@evan

If you are looking for a hypocrite determined to open the #Fediverse gates for #Meta, and later proudly counting Meta among his "advisors" for his "Social Web Foundation", here is one, Dec 7 2023 at Meta’s San Francisco office location, at an "invitation only event", discussing Meta's plans.

"Photo arranged by Tantek Çelik with photo participants opting-in to public sharing."

web.archive.org/web/2024081510

web.archive.org/web/2024092414

@evan

If you are looking for a hypocrite determined to open the #Fediverse gates for #Meta, and later proudly counting Meta among his "advisors" for his "Social Web Foundation", here is one, Dec 7 2023 at Meta’s San Francisco office location, at an "invitation only event", discussing Meta's plans.

"Photo arranged by Tantek Çelik with photo participants opting-in to public sharing."

Participants' group photo of an invitation-only event for a discussion on Threads Interoperating in the Fediverse at Meta’s San Francisco office location.

The head of Evan Prodromou is marked by a red rectangular frame.
 
"Photo arranged by Tantek Çelik with photo participants opting-in to public sharing."
Isaac Ji Kuo

@evan There's also the Diaspora platform (which uses diaspora protocol, not ActivityPub). Diaspora is older than ActivityPub and older than Mastodon.

I actually prefer Diaspora over all of the ActivityPub platforms, and it's my main social media hangout really. I prefer the rigid posts/boosts and comment thread paradigm, which allows people to moderate comments.

Also, the diaspora protocol is simpler and less flexible than AP, making it robust against Embrace Extend Extinguish...

Sebastian

@evan
There might as well be fedi servers owned by billionaire investors..

Bob Davidson

@evan
not sure exactly why but I get a lot more interaction here than Bluesky with about the same number of followers on each. And… we have an edit button!!

Kagan MacTane

@evan Depending on what you mean by "platform" (and if you mean "social media platform, then depending on what qualifies as "social media"...) then dreamwidth.org is still billionaire-free to the best of my knowledge.

It's a fork of Livejournal's code from back when LJ was getting sold to Russia. The people who run it are good, kind, and dedicated.

Scott M. Stolz
@Evan Prodromou *checks with our treasurer*

We don't seem to have any billionaire investors or owners over here on our platform.
André Koot

@evan I would rather refer to the fediverse as a network and Mastodon as a service, than calling it a platform. My mission is to move from platforms to protocols. Platforms are lock-in instruments.

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