Gregory's Server@commonscapitalism @ashtime Due to my opinion both of you are still arguing within the context of capitalism. Your suggestions may make the world a better place for human beings and others. But they cannot abolish capitalism. You both do not consider Nation as a problem and defense industries those nations have (must be abolished when capitalism is abolished) . I wish both of you can reach some of your suggestions but these are not the way of abolishing capitalism
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@ashtime @commonscapitalism İ tried to say your question about abolishing capitalism is not realistic. That's all . Pardon me if something I said suggested that capitalism can be abolished. It will never be abolished. Capitalism will always be the preferred economic vehicle for small closely held corporations and venture capitalists. Some corporations are too large to be converted to worker coops, ESOPs, EOTs, or CCEs. Additionally, capitalism is endless in breadth and width. @commonscapitalism @ashtime Sorry I gave this answer to @ashtime . By the way capitalism may be abolished under different conditions and in a very long time. If it is abolished, it most likely would be the result of societal collapse caused by a failure of worker well-being. The question then is what would fill the economic and political void created by societal collapse, probably a society similar to western Europe's in the 6th century with the beginning of a new feudalistic order. @commonscapitalism @sule_becalm Ok guys, you know that capitalism does not equal democracy and that we had different economic models in existence in the 20th century? How workers cooperatives work in #USA is jot the only model in the entire world. With the existence of #billionaires we already live in some kind of a #feudal system. @ashtime @commonscapitalism May be this can be called vulture capitalism. And we still don ot know the way of abolishing such a system out of capitalism dictates us. Maybe later in conjunction with changing energy/power resource, type of production , also means of prodyction, tecnology depending upon these changes social classes, social physchology, etc. not reforming in capitalist mode of production. By the way I am not against all these suggestions those cannot abolish capitalism. @Radical_EgoCom As an economist I really don't want to argue about this subject anymore which depends upon a great literature in my second language by means of social media. I wish you good luck implementing what you think. |
@sule_becalm @commonscapitalism What’s your suggestion? I think that nation-states’ existence and military industry, human desire for war are 2 separate issues-both existed through different economic models in human history. Capitalism is rooted in #colonialism and #imperialism - not existence of nations or wars.