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the fediverse now has a fast growing TikTok alternative: loops.video

While it remains in a pre-release beta state atm, we are testing federation and will be releasing full federation support, along with the source code once stable.

And we expect by this time next month, you will have a bright, shiny and easy to install TikTok alternative under your tree 🎄

Spread the word. Loops has arrived.

#loops

90 comments
Russell Harrower 🎙️

@dansup can I ask how you are paying or covering the costs of storing these loops?

The Dude™

@dansup I am using an app called Openvibe to post to NOSTR, Mastodon and Bluesky. any indication this could be integrated into that app, or have you been in contact with their devs to see about being included?

dansup

@thedudeabides420 its possible, but they need to reach out or wait until the docs are published!

FoxVK

@dansup Wondering how long does it take for #Microsoft to force it to change it's name :D

aZa ☎️5190

@FoxVK @dansup why that?

Which product of Microsoft is called loops?

FoxVK

@aZa1905 @dansup
microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-

Another slow pile of javascript with weird counterintuitive UI. It provides features which you can find only few times in your lifetime and not necassarily works for anyone.
So it perfectly fits into MS Teams ekosystem

Subcömandante♠️Midas🦄

@dansup Thank y'all @loops for your awesome work! ♥️

[scnr]

my 1st #loops video
(free'd from TikTok)

loops.video/v/4DTG080x00

haliphax 👾

@dansup Any plans to add a web app? Seems like I have to install something

Crowjane

@dansup

You can Toot Loops, it sounds like a breakfast cereal, but its not.

Miah Johnson

@dansup is signup disabled? I created an account but can't sign in. I never received any sign up email. If I try to reset my password it says an account with that email doesn't exist. If I try to sign up again it says my email address is already in use.

CM Thiede

@dansup question?

Does one need to find a separate instance for each of these #cms #apps ??

@Vivaldi possible to incorporate these add-ons to streamline efficiency and limit redundancy or is that being solved by encouraging all to host #blog with you?

#IRL does everyone need their own #Mastodon instance + #loops + #pixelFed to unlock the door to #freedom ?

Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:

@cmthiede @dansup @Vivaldi
While I know that work is being done on linking user databases in such a way that a single instance can offer multiple interfaces for the same account, generally speaking, you have to have accounts on multiple servers to use multiple services.

Flipping that around however, having multiple accounts like that is a common and accepted practice on here, and it's easy to link them together in your bio. Being able to easily split your presence between multiple accounts for multiple kinds of content feeds is one of the nice features of the Fediverse. So there's no issue with just making accounts on two different servers.

@cmthiede @dansup @Vivaldi
While I know that work is being done on linking user databases in such a way that a single instance can offer multiple interfaces for the same account, generally speaking, you have to have accounts on multiple servers to use multiple services.

Flipping that around however, having multiple accounts like that is a common and accepted practice on here, and it's easy to link them together in your bio. Being able to easily split your presence between multiple accounts for multiple...

CM Thiede

@Raccoon @dansup @Vivaldi

the other interesting tidbit is the promise of decentralization. So many #silos of different stripes. One being #thought

Many #greenEnergy evangelists ought understand the complexities of #hosting and the #draw on #resources

Is there a way for #iiif to be the #beacon for all rather than trying to get a bunch of #egoProjects to work well together and put them in users hands?

dietmar

@Raccoon @cmthiede @dansup @Vivaldi

Could I please pick you brain to see if I understand this right:

Creating loops requires an account on the/a loops server. Okay, I guess the app has some special video edit features and somewhere it needs to be published. And maybe I even want this as a separate stream.

But how about consuming? Is one activitypub account enough to consume and interact (text, share) with mastodon, pixelfed, loops?

Would the content then only exist on the source server and I access it like a web page? Or would the content get sent to my instance? With mastodon content, I understand the content gets sent to the instance where I have the account. So I could access it, even if the originating server goes down.

@Raccoon @cmthiede @dansup @Vivaldi

Could I please pick you brain to see if I understand this right:

Creating loops requires an account on the/a loops server. Okay, I guess the app has some special video edit features and somewhere it needs to be published. And maybe I even want this as a separate stream.

Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:

@dietmar @cmthiede @dansup @Vivaldi
So far, the way it has worked is that every AP implementation's content works on other implementations, because AP supports media. The exception is Lemmy, because Topic Threads are not in the AP standard, but that's partially an issue of what other software hasn't implemented.

I would guess that Loops, if implemented correctly, will be viewable from most other softwares, and I'm assuming they will test with Mastodon.

@dietmar @cmthiede @dansup @Vivaldi
So far, the way it has worked is that every AP implementation's content works on other implementations, because AP supports media. The exception is Lemmy, because Topic Threads are not in the AP standard, but that's partially an issue of what other software hasn't implemented.

CM Thiede

@dietmar @Raccoon @dansup @Vivaldi

I'm afraid I can only speculate. Developers, gitGurus, anyone want to speak facts to these questions?

#techQuestions

Athos

@cmthiede @dansup @Vivaldi you want to know if it would be possible to use all ActivityPub software under one account?

CM Thiede

@athos @dansup @Vivaldi

I think, to a degree.

Rather than having to reiterate the existence of user A, as in, userA has userA@mastodon account, a userA@loops account and a userA@pixelfed account. They're all interoperable in a way but not like a nested parent/child dynamic. Much like domains.

userA.pixelfed.loops@mastodon_instance

One would be control, depending on main use, but all would be accessible unto the parent without outward reach.

The more I try to detail, the more I think it isn't all that important. Since, I imagine, most would choose the style of content sharing they want to be the biggest part of: microBlog, shorts or pics and remain within those environments.

For me it's more about resources, not weighing down Mastodon with pics and vids, but also not having to create separate sm accounts just to do it.

Which, is probably a job for a good cms. I'll probably start playing with that angle I guess.

@athos @dansup @Vivaldi

I think, to a degree.

Rather than having to reiterate the existence of user A, as in, userA has userA@mastodon account, a userA@loops account and a userA@pixelfed account. They're all interoperable in a way but not like a nested parent/child dynamic. Much like domains.

userA.pixelfed.loops@mastodon_instance

I see Dud people!

@dansup This is worrying: "When you post Contributions... you grant us an unrestricted, unlimited, irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, royalty-free, fully-paid, worldwide right, and license to: use, copy, reproduce, distribute, sell, resell, publish, broadcast, retitle, store, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part), and exploit your Contributions (including, without limitation, your image, name, and voice) for any purpose" #Loops

EaterOfSnacks

@BackFromTheDud @dansup Ouch
I did sign up a few weeks ago but that is pretty much reason to delete my account.

Adam Krassowski

@BackFromTheDud @dansup It looks like boilerplate ToS generated with Termly. If you declare in Termly's form that your app/website accepts user generated content, Termly's generator will include an unreasonably restrictive licence in the draft ToS, without any option to choose a more nuanced wording (at least to my knowledge). IMHO these terms are not suitable for any service which relies on UGC and wants to encourage users to contribute.

Limnetic Villains

@BackFromTheDud @dansup I just signed up, can't wait to upload content to it that can be used for anything at all!

I may just hold off joining in...

brotherJeffrey

@dansup Thanks, I seem to be awaiting confirmation

benny

@nf3xn @dansup why algo? Did they say they use one?

Nik | Klampfradler 🎸🚲

@benny @nf3xn @dansup Of course they do.

(Hint: SELECT… ORDER BY date_posted; uses an algorithm. Even without ORDER BY it uses an algorithm because database page layout is determined by an algorithm.)

benny

@nik @nf3xn @dansup you are right, but I doubt this is what was meant

Nik | Klampfradler 🎸🚲

@benny @nf3xn @dansup I think "it displays newest posts first" would be a valid answer to the question and one of the answers a person asking it can expect.

Cybarbie

@nik @benny @dansup That you thought injecting this useless piece of mansplaining was useful or relevant.

Nik | Klampfradler 🎸🚲

@nf3xn @benny Have you considered not using social media, or a comnunication platform in general, if you can't stand people exchanging views, knowledge or information?

Cybarbie

@nik @benny When did you last do that if ever. See most people, normal people with social skills, would just not reply if they didn't know or understand the question rather than subjecting the world to their toxic babble.

Cybarbie

@benny @dansup It wouldn't really be a tiktok clone if does not have an algo - that's kind of the whole point of tiktok - otherwise its just a random stream of short videos.

benny

@nf3xn @dansup then Mastodon is no Twitter Clone because no algo?
Hmm, guess it's a valid way to look at it, never saw it from that perspective.

seb

@dansup For some reason the iOS app doesn’t have sound on my iPhone.

dansup

@timaeus @seb If your phone is in silent mode, audio is muted

seb

@dansup @timaeus That resolved it. Just as an FYI: TikTok will turn on the sound if press one of the physical volume buttons.

David Phd

@dansup The Terms of Service are unacceptable. I suggest no one signs up for this until they are amended to respect the rights of users. Certainly the terms would be unenforceable in regions with GDPR legislation.

Jeder :mastodon: :nonazis:

@dansup
Hat das schon jemand ausprobiert?

Has anyone tried it yet?

#loops

flo

@dsw28
Yes, see the answers, there's one linked.

@dansup

Thomas Cloer

@dansup This might be a nice Fediverse app for short-form video, but definitely not a “TikTok alternative”.

benny

@teezeh @dansup I never used TikTok so excuse my ignorance, but is TikTok not also a short form video platform?
Why would loops then not be an alternative?

Thomas Cloer

@benny Tiktoks zentrales Feature ist der Empfehlungsalgorithmus. Wenn überhaupt könnte aus dem Fediverse ein Gegenentwurf dazu kommen. Aber lassen wir mal die Kirche im sprichwörtlichen Dorf, siehe Pixelfeld vs. Insta.

@dansup

benny

@teezeh @dansup von Pixelfed oder Insta hab ich auch keine Ahnung, ich bin aber auch eher der Typ, der sein Essen nicht fotografiert...
Ich hab den Algorithmus nie als Feature gesehen, aber mit zunehmendem Alter find ich die Welt und was die Menschen als gut und schlecht ansehen auch immer weniger nachvollziehbar.

Ursan Marius Bogdan :mastodon:

@dansup Sounds like nice project I hope people find it useful

Kief Richardson

@dansup CAT VIDEOS ARE COMING TO THE FEDIVERSE! 🎉🎉🎉

I see Dud people!

@dansup "you grant us an unrestricted, unlimited, irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, royalty-free, fully-paid, worldwide right, and license to: use, copy, reproduce, distribute, sell, resell, publish, broadcast, retitle, store, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part), and exploit your Contributions (including, without limitation, your image, name, and voice) for any purpose". Hard pass. #Loops

Daniele10

@dansup Do you have a way to recover a forgotten password?

Mark Wyner :vm:

@dansup I’ve been beta testing. So far it’s nice, but there are some critical issues with navigation and feeds. I see little iterations here and there. Are there any significant improvements to UX/UI in the works?

Hollie ☕️

@dansup Seemed cool, so I signed up. Great. Then tried to sign in and it said the credentials don't match your records (the password field is invisible so I can't make sure it's accurate, I have to just keep putting it in again and hoping), and when I gave up and just tried to sign up again, it said my username had been taken. 🤔 I checked my email and there's nothing from that domain so I didn't get any account confirmation.

That's about all the energy I have for this. Good luck!

Amr AbdelKhalek

@dansup I have a problem signing up. It doesn't send the verification email.

Agustin Haro

@dansup this is so great! congrats. I made a registration but didn't receive any mail

zeruch

@dansup when I try to sign up it has a non-changeable email address of jappleseed@me.com which seems...odd, for a onboarding workflow.

Assal Horizontology

@dansup videos still don’t play with sound when I have my phone ringer turned off; any plans to fix this?

Natsura :transfem_verify:

@dansup@mastodon.social TBQH Being a Looper will be better than being a TikToker ​:neocat_3c:​

Colto Fox

Hey @dansup, will this project be able to access media from PeerTube servers over ActivityPub?

Curious to see the possibility of this integration.

Sheri Gulam

@dansup i tried to sign up, never got a confirmation email, and now when trying to reset my password I see an error that this email does not exist, but if I try to sign up with it I see that it has already been taken?

basisbit 🦈🇪🇺🇺🇦

@dansup
> "releasing the source code once stable"

If I had gotten a Dollar or Euro each time someone said that and then never released it, I probably would be rich by now.
Please either release the code from the beginning or don't expect me to use the stuff.

Groosha

@dansup do you have any email restrictions? I'm not getting signup mail (signed up from protonmail)

Madiopolis

@dansup Hello handsome you can meet me up on my zangi number

l

@dansup
Deleting an account is made unnecessarily difficult. In Mastodon or Pixelfed you go to settings, enter the password and confirm deletion. I don't believe this "We are working on automating the account deletion process", existing process looks more complicated than adding a button to delete an account and a password field.

If you register with an email address from which you cannot send, e.g. using DuckDuckGo Email Protection, it is impossible to delete your account.

@dansup
Deleting an account is made unnecessarily difficult. In Mastodon or Pixelfed you go to settings, enter the password and confirm deletion. I don't believe this "We are working on automating the account deletion process", existing process looks more complicated than adding a button to delete an account and a password field.

The Dude™

@dansup I signed up, but there isn't anyway to upload videos right now? I can't change my profile avatar? The bio area is like 23 characters, so not really useful for getting a bio up. I'm not sure why the service is released, but nothing is working.

Juergen M. Bruckner

@dansup
It seems Loops does not accept new users at the moment. Tried to register today (when sign up was still open) but actually it didnt work well.

I guess we have to wait for a while.

But im glad to see that @nlnet did fund this project too.

Nad :imagination:

@dansup @uastronomer This looks interesting and promising. I wish you would've put in a way to be kept up to date via email or something because I fear I might forget to check it out again!

Marcos M. 🚲

@dansup

mmm, I've tried to sign-up but says my user and mail is taken. But when I tried to enter, they do not recognize neither xD

Brother Soul

@dansup this is freaking OUTSTANDING!!!! On so many levels.

Brother
#labr #loveabrotherrado

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