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Ilya Zverev

@SomeoneElse I both agree and not agree. These new vector tiles are great for promoting Maplibre GL: before one had to set up their own vector tiles, or pay some company. And most uses of OSM are for the background layer, roads and buildings, which the new tiles provide.

But. The ShortBread schema, being created by german Geofabrik, has so many issues stemming from its origins. The first being labels — only in German and English, come on. It's the biggest problem with the new VT.

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Ilya Zverev

@SomeoneElse

So I hoped to maybe use the official tiles for Every Door in the future, but it's clear I won't. Needs customization, target audience for the schema is unclear. German customers?

I hoped that people might make new exciting maps with the new VT, but the schema is the most limiting of all the options, so they won't. Matt's world map is much better at this:

watmildon.github.io/TIGERMap/W

And VT are definitely not for casual browsing, like Carto. There is nothing interesting there.

@SomeoneElse

So I hoped to maybe use the official tiles for Every Door in the future, but it's clear I won't. Needs customization, target audience for the schema is unclear. German customers?

I hoped that people might make new exciting maps with the new VT, but the schema is the most limiting of all the options, so they won't. Matt's world map is much better at this:

Simon Poole

@zverik @SomeoneElse name_en and name_de are essentially for compatibility with the openmaptiles schema. I don't think anybody plans on limiting things to that.

The question is likely more is the route OMT took to allow any name:xx in the tiles the best approach or wouldn't it make sense to have language(-groups?) specific tiles that contain the label layers.

Ilya Zverev

@simon @SomeoneElse yeah I don't think the language issue won't be resolved. But it is an indicator of the general narrowness of the schema.

I assume, MapTiler schema was born out of the Mapbox one, so there has been a lot of work poured into it. I wonder why not use it for a start, given it's the most popular on the market.

Simon Poole

@zverik @SomeoneElse IP/licensing reasons (that isn't really a secret).

SomeoneElse

@zverik @simon There are other ways of getting the right languages available in the right place without putting "all name:xx tags" on every object. For raster maps (of a small area with 4 languages) I do language processing up-front; some sort of "global region" processing might work on a worldwide scale. There are also wikidata-based options for translations and genuine exonyms.
In my case, the main reason I went with my own schema is that it did what I wanted and others did not.

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