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Nick @ The Linux Experiment

And if someone says « but he won the popular vote », I will scream.

Yes, that’s the problem. The problem isn’t that this fringe dictator spewing conspiracies and lies every single time he speaks has SOME supporters.

The problem is that regular, normal people also were convinced by his crazy shit. That’s the problem. Normal people are now falling for this scam, again. More people now think this shit is fine. Preferable, even. That’s what difficult to swallow. Humanity is moronic.

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jame

@thelinuxEXP@mastodon.social As an American I take a bit of comfort seeing you speak on the issue. Even though I wish that things had gone differently and you wouldnt have to speak about it.

Francesco P Lovergine

@thelinuxEXP
In a few words, populism is popular, and this is obvious. Simply give people what they like. Whether this is real or a lie is a detail.

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@gisgeek @thelinuxEXP I wouldn’t say that populism is popular. It only makes easy „solutions“ for complicated problems. People are easily manipulated by that.

Idaho

@thelinuxEXP Democracies are failing everywhere in the western world except maybe for Switzerland and a few Nordic countries, USA paves the way for this downfall, what we're seeing with Trump in the USA is gonna be what we'll see in France and other major western democracies in 5/10 years...

RC2225

@Idaho @thelinuxEXP Switzerland biggest strength is that the Government is a directorial system. This vote works however on a purely on social contracts between parties. btw with the SVP we have now over two decade a strong anti migration right conservative party. Even an AFD in the beginning would be a normal party in the swiss political system.

Teop Versant

@thelinuxEXP The problem is the state of America. People are sincerely struggling, and in a bad place emotionally and economically. But they were being told everything is okay. Yeah, everything is okay but we have to choose between gas and groceries - forget medication and healthcare. It is really basic.

Nick @ The Linux Experiment

@Teop_Versant And still, people will vote for the person who will harm them more. They call the opponent a socialist, when only socialist policies would help with redistributing wealth.

They vote for the ultra capitalist candidate to fix the problems capitalism creates. That’s the sad part. They’re shooting themselves in the foot.

Teop Versant

@thelinuxEXP We are not deceived by hate speech. I did not vote because neither party will aid Palestine. But everybody is way over-thinking this. What you do not understand is that many Americans do not even understand what you are saying. It is really basic. Also, why tie peoples personal choices to some form of hatred? Americans are actually more intelligent than people think (IE "swayed" by Russia - lol)

Martijn 🇪🇺🇳🇱

@Teop_Versant @thelinuxEXP Not voting is probably the worst thing you could do IMHO. No offense.

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@Teop_Versant Trump "allowed" Netanjahu "to do what [he] have to do" meaning flattening the Gaza strip and annexing that and the West bank.

The Biden/Harris administration are in fact trying to mediate in peace talks at the moment.

The election was also about if the pro-Palestine movement in the US is able to continue their cause. The US decided apparently to not allow that.

tiesselune

@thelinuxEXP @Teop_Versant and us, the world as a whole; Climate change, economy, war, are not confined to any country's borders, even more so when the country is one of the first economic and military powers of the world

Teop Versant

@tiesselune @thelinuxEXP "one of the first economic and military powers of the world". Not referring to the US then. America is not the first at anything, notwithstanding the best. But one of the youngest country's in the world.

Le Patenteux :verif:

@thelinuxEXP @Teop_Versant

I always find that funny when they call democrats "Socialists" or even "communists"... Both parties are far right... so much so that when one of them is just a little less right, they are called communists!

Teop Versant

@Normand_Nadon All names which never actually factor in to the elections. Such language assumes everybody has a college degree and understands what they mean. Elections are a lot more basic; "Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?".

Teop Versant

@Normand_Nadon Economics, whether or not you can actually pay all of your bills... trumps any other social issue, clearly.

Le Patenteux :verif:

@Teop_Versant
Unfortunately, the US elected a person that does not care about fixing poverty, or education... They elected Kim Jong Trump!

Nick @ The Linux Experiment

@Normand_Nadon @Teop_Versant Hahah yeah, their « extreme radical left » is merely hard right for most EU countries 😂

Le Patenteux :verif:

@thelinuxEXP @Teop_Versant
I hope they don't look too close at how Canada and Quebec operates... They will declare war against us and call us communists! We have social security, health care, many help programs... The horror!

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@thelinuxEXP studying deep history (10k+ years) - it has always been thus. As the saying goes, history is one damn thing after another... we're not as evolved as we'd love to think.

Gizamaluke

@danberger While that may be true what worries are the use of nuclear weapons. Both candidates seemed to me to be unfit to lead a major nuclear power and actually they are probably unfit for the title of town mayor.

EmpeRohr

@thelinuxEXP well, i am more concerned that this will affect the german elections next year...right wing an conservative government..and they are spitting out lies after lies

gateway

@EmpeRohr @thelinuxEXP
the current german government is worse than trump

we need snap elections

Professor Pootis

@thelinuxEXP He didn't even win the popular vote in 2016, the electoral college is bullshit.

Martina Neumayer

@thelinuxEXP And now look.. By definition, voting is a mirror image of the people voting. That is, it shows us what the people themselves are like in a given place. Now you have an accurate picture of the state of practically the entire American society. Of course, excluding some small percentage of exceptions. Unfortunately, this percentage does not count for anything actually.
As the old saying goes.. "Such are the people, such is the country"
And today that's very sad, but true.

dm29

@thelinuxEXP Imho, and with utmost respect, taking a look at what's wrong outside Trump's aura might help in getting some clues of what's happening. Might also help for getting over the seemingly unending stupor phase; for searching solutions. Let me share this Stephen Hawking text. Perhaps can provide some wider views on the topic. At least did so for me. Kind regards.
'This is the most dangerous time for our planet'
theguardian.com/commentisfree/

@thelinuxEXP Imho, and with utmost respect, taking a look at what's wrong outside Trump's aura might help in getting some clues of what's happening. Might also help for getting over the seemingly unending stupor phase; for searching solutions. Let me share this Stephen Hawking text. Perhaps can provide some wider views on the topic. At least did so for me. Kind regards.
'This is the most dangerous time for our planet'
theguardian.com/commentisfree/

aethrvmn

@thelinuxEXP humanity being moronic is evident from the fact that the choice came down to these two in the first place. Having to watch Trump vs Biden was awful, but the coup against Biden and the non-choice of Kamala sealed the whole process for those in the center imo. And those on the far left saw that Kamala didnt do anything except fund Israel and its war crimes

SRKT

@thelinuxEXP Nick but Harris is a genocidal maniac tho. Literally, signed killing of babies in Gaza.

Nick @ The Linux Experiment

@srkt Trump also is on the same side of the issue, and is worse virtually everywhere else. So, yeah. Shooting yourself in the foot or the head?

SRKT

@thelinuxEXP I agree. Eitherway is F'ed atleast with Trump. The americans are F'ed too not just the world. :)

Hagarashi8

@thelinuxEXP If anything, Trumps victory is direct result of Democrat's actions, not humanity's fault.

🇵🇸 Panino, o Moço 🇮🇷

@thelinuxEXP Personally I just hope for the worst, I wish for a civil war, I want that country to go to hell.

No matter who wins the world loses.
The biggest argument the other side had was "he would do worse than what we are doing now", while participating in a genocide.

jame

@paninodesu@mastodon.social @thelinuxEXP@mastodon.social I would prefer less war in the world personally, especially when there are already two major ones that are killing millions I dont think we need a third.

🦃 Kat Callahan :chiba: 🦃

@thelinuxEXP

I am so heartbroken, Nick. I voted like six weeks in advance. I reminded. I called. I cajoled. I educated. I shot the shit talking about the real harm that would happen.

But the depths of reactionary, exclusionary politics in the US are apparently very deep indeed. And I don't know how we start to address it.

Nick @ The Linux Experiment

@jezebelkat No idea how to fix that either, it’s not even that people didn’t know better, it’s that they CHOSE to believe what best suited them, no matter the facts or the reality.

Such denial is basically irreparable, I think. I’d be surprised if the USA didn’t implode I to multiple countries in the future. I don’t see this rift ever healing :/

🦃 Kat Callahan :chiba: 🦃

@thelinuxEXP

Such is the way of empires. I would like it to not happen until well after I, along with my friends and family, am long dead. I don't want to live through the suffering that such an implosion would cause.

Corb_The_Lesser

@thelinuxEXP It's a tragedy. People here have no idea what's coming. The door is open to wider war in Europe. People here will die.

It feels like we're two different nations inhabiting the same space and the half that won hates the other half.

thatonecoder

@thelinuxEXP
Almost a hundred years ago, the same happened. Guess what? Many people were *exterminated*, nukes created AND used, and the guy responsible for it ultimately was a coward. This just feels like the 2.0 of it.

docteurklein

@thelinuxEXP he won the popular vote FOR ONCE and indeed that's even worse

Daniel

@thelinuxEXP it's horrible news. And unfortunately the populism virus has already spread to our shores too. And Trump will probably make that even worse.

How people can vote for him – or people like him – is beyond my comprehension.

gperson

@thelinuxEXP Honestly, please save yourself while you still can. I think I'm going insane right now...

katzenberger

@thelinuxEXP

That problem was known before, and the Democrats (again) did nothing else but try to be the lesser evil. Trump didn't win the election, but Harris lost it.

She's alienated a substantial part of her voter base by steamrolling with a superficial "Joy!" campaign over, e.g., all demands to stop what the current, Democrat administration does to the Middle East - with her assistance, as the sitting VP.

That's like persistently silencing and discouraging parts of your troops, while ordering them to smile - until they resign and go home, the night before the battle.

@thelinuxEXP

That problem was known before, and the Democrats (again) did nothing else but try to be the lesser evil. Trump didn't win the election, but Harris lost it.

She's alienated a substantial part of her voter base by steamrolling with a superficial "Joy!" campaign over, e.g., all demands to stop what the current, Democrat administration does to the Middle East - with her assistance, as the sitting VP.

Imad

@thelinuxEXP traveling to Europe and realizing that American politcal literacy was higher than in America blew my fucking mind

Imad

@thelinuxEXP my friend from Nebraska didn't know Harris' VP was Walz! What are we doing here??

Amici Is Me 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇳🇴

@thelinuxEXP

The voter turnout was very low.

It wasn't that so many people support Trump, but that Kamala was inedible considering her support for the mass murdering of Palestinians and the whole WW3 prospect.

If she had taken a tough stance against genocide and Netanyahu, I'm confident many more would've rallied to her side, although she also suffered from a lack of charisma and appearing fake at times. Tim Walz did most of the charisma heavy-lifting.

yossarianuk

@thelinuxEXP Social media did this.

It needs to be destroyed or we lose democracy and basic rationality

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