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Brett Flippin

@dalias @hareldan

linuxmint.com/

Mint is the easiest distro to switch to. The Cinnamon desktop is similar to Windows 7 in workflow and functionality. Even non-technical users can run it fine even if they need it installed for them.

If you’re comfortable with running Windows debloat utilities you should just stop running Windows.

17 October at 14:24 | Wall-to-wall | Open on vmst.io
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Rich Felker

@bflipp @hareldan FFS I probably know a thing or two about Lunix... 😂

What I was asking is how to remove Recall, without removing their OS, from the PC from someone who does not want me to wipe all their shit and force them to switch to something different.

17 October at 14:32 | Open on hachyderm.io
Brett Flippin

@dalias @hareldan

I am not interested in giving you instructions that will likely break core functionality in Windows. Microsoft wound CoPilot around FILE EXPLORER. There’s no telling what else is broken or could be broken by future updates by removing it. They could also just slipstream it back in during an update defeating the purpose of removing it anyway.

You should devote your time and energy on moving people away from Windows instead. It’s incumbent on those that know how to teach those that don’t or the cycle of abuse Microsoft perpetuates against their users will never stop.

@dalias @hareldan

I am not interested in giving you instructions that will likely break core functionality in Windows. Microsoft wound CoPilot around FILE EXPLORER. There’s no telling what else is broken or could be broken by future updates by removing it. They could also just slipstream it back in during an update defeating the purpose of removing it anyway.

17 October at 14:42 | Open on vmst.io
Rich Felker
Brett Flippin

@dalias

Enjoy supporting a hacked up and ruined version of Windows instead, genius.

17 October at 20:35 | Open on vmst.io
Rich Felker replied to Brett

@bflipp You realize your behavior here is one of the things so offputting about the fediverse, right? You could try to tone it down and stop presuming you have standing to decide how others reorient the stuff underlying their lives.

17 October at 20:56 | Open on hachyderm.io
Brett Flippin replied to Rich

@dalias

I pointed out the logical fallacy in your desire to maintain a broken Windows install instead of acclimating to a new OS right now. One that doesn’t require you to break it in order to use it in safety and privacy.

Moving away from Windows is the only truly correct decision to make. I’m not saying it’s easy but it’s less work and less effort than maintaining broken Windows installs for the sake of privacy. If you disagree that’s fine.

18 October at 1:59 | Open on vmst.io
khm replied to Brett
"posts are made with the best intentions"

CC: @dalias@hachyderm.io
17 October at 21:19 | Open on hj.9fs.net
ToddZ

@bflipp @dalias @hareldan > Even non-technical users can run it fine even if they need it installed for them.

Yeah, but be prepared to defend your treachery when they find out they can’t have Microsoft Solitaire anymore.

17 October at 17:33 | Open on social.linux.pizza
Brett Flippin

@toddz @dalias @hareldan

Does Gnome not ship with and provide their own version of Solitaire on Flathub?

But we should definitely let Microsoft keep up their abuse because of a card game. That’s a totally valid point.

17 October at 20:33 | Open on vmst.io
ToddZ

@bflipp @dalias @hareldan I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek and speaking from experience. Point was: just don't underestimate the attachment "non-technical users"—e.g., octogenarian parents—have to the exact appearance and operation of the Windows applications they've been using for many years.

"Yes, you'll be able to play solitaire on Mint" I'd naively warranted. But no Linux alternative is an exact clone. In my desperate Googling I found the internet awash with people pleading *"pleeaase how can I install Microsoft Solitaire on Linux to make my parents happy! I don't want to support Windows again!"*

@bflipp @dalias @hareldan I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek and speaking from experience. Point was: just don't underestimate the attachment "non-technical users"—e.g., octogenarian parents—have to the exact appearance and operation of the Windows applications they've been using for many years.

"Yes, you'll be able to play solitaire on Mint" I'd naively warranted. But no Linux alternative is an exact clone. In my desperate Googling I found the internet awash with people pleading *"pleeaase how can...

17 October at 21:45 | Open on social.linux.pizza
Brett Flippin

@toddz @dalias @hareldan

It is incumbent on those of us with the knowledge to guide those that don’t understand exactly what Microsoft is doing with Windows now. I will not let people I care about run an OS that so deeply compromises their data and their privacy. I don’t feel like anyone with a conscience would either.

I would rather do this than waste my time disabling or removing a service over and over and over again for said non-technical user after it’s automatically reenabled/reinstalled in any random update.

@toddz @dalias @hareldan

It is incumbent on those of us with the knowledge to guide those that don’t understand exactly what Microsoft is doing with Windows now. I will not let people I care about run an OS that so deeply compromises their data and their privacy. I don’t feel like anyone with a conscience would either.

18 October at 1:47 | Open on vmst.io
Brett Flippin replied to Brett

@toddz @dalias @hareldan

Part of switching is doing the legwork to identify your user’s needs up front. In your example If people are diving headfirst into switching their parents to Linux without actually knowing what their parents use the computer for then yeah, there’s going to be friction.

I switched my partner who is 100% not technical from Windows 10 to Fedora. I already had her learn Resolve for her video editing and switched to Firefox and LibreOffice ahead of time on Windows. Because I knew her use cases she hasn’t had a single issue.

It’s not an impossible task at all IMO.

@toddz @dalias @hareldan

Part of switching is doing the legwork to identify your user’s needs up front. In your example If people are diving headfirst into switching their parents to Linux without actually knowing what their parents use the computer for then yeah, there’s going to be friction.

I switched my partner who is 100% not technical from Windows 10 to Fedora. I already had her learn Resolve for her video editing and switched to Firefox and LibreOffice ahead of time on Windows. Because I knew...

18 October at 2:11 | Open on vmst.io
ToddZ replied to Brett

@bflipp @dalias @hareldan > If people are diving headfirst into switching their parents to Linux without actually knowing what their parents use the computer for...

"Diving headfirst" isn't what happened, but an assumption re. Solitaire slipped through. My comment here was meant humorously, but maybe someone can learn from my little experience.

18 October at 2:32 | Open on social.linux.pizza
Brett Flippin replied to ToddZ

@toddz

I get what you're saying. My point is that the legwork to make the transition is worth it. Especially now.

18 October at 2:47 | Open on vmst.io
Rich Felker replied to Brett

@bflipp @toddz @hareldan The problem is your presumed entitlement to make decisions for other people. You don't "let" them run Windows. They are not yours to train. They're people with their own values, priorities, decision making processes that might not reach the same conclusions you do.

18 October at 2:53 | Open on hachyderm.io
Brett Flippin replied to Rich

@dalias

You are just projecting negativity on to me because I found your use case wanting and told you so.

I'm not forcing anybody to do anything. But I do answer questions and I do educate them on what their OS is doing behind their back and offer alternatives. Particularly when I can make the transition smooth.

But you'll probably say I'm just manipulating people into using Linux at this point.

Anyway, you are incredibly boring and I'm tired of you. When I present dry facts people like you get threatened because you project authority on to me. I gave you the most logical solution and made fun of you when you didn't take it.

@dalias

You are just projecting negativity on to me because I found your use case wanting and told you so.

I'm not forcing anybody to do anything. But I do answer questions and I do educate them on what their OS is doing behind their back and offer alternatives. Particularly when I can make the transition smooth.

18 October at 3:02 | Open on vmst.io
Rich Felker replied to Brett

@bflipp You're the one who specifically said "I will not let people I care about run an OS...."

That is not okay. It is controlling and abusive. Even if you don't mean it literally, the wording reflects a sense of entitlement to make decisions for other people.

18 October at 3:06 | Open on hachyderm.io
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