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ToddZ

@bflipp @dalias @hareldan I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek and speaking from experience. Point was: just don't underestimate the attachment "non-technical users"—e.g., octogenarian parents—have to the exact appearance and operation of the Windows applications they've been using for many years.

"Yes, you'll be able to play solitaire on Mint" I'd naively warranted. But no Linux alternative is an exact clone. In my desperate Googling I found the internet awash with people pleading *"pleeaase how can I install Microsoft Solitaire on Linux to make my parents happy! I don't want to support Windows again!"*

17 October at 21:45 | Wall-to-wall | Open on social.linux.pizza
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Brett Flippin

@toddz @dalias @hareldan

It is incumbent on those of us with the knowledge to guide those that don’t understand exactly what Microsoft is doing with Windows now. I will not let people I care about run an OS that so deeply compromises their data and their privacy. I don’t feel like anyone with a conscience would either.

I would rather do this than waste my time disabling or removing a service over and over and over again for said non-technical user after it’s automatically reenabled/reinstalled in any random update.

@toddz @dalias @hareldan

It is incumbent on those of us with the knowledge to guide those that don’t understand exactly what Microsoft is doing with Windows now. I will not let people I care about run an OS that so deeply compromises their data and their privacy. I don’t feel like anyone with a conscience would either.

18 October at 1:47 | Open on vmst.io
Brett Flippin replied to Brett

@toddz @dalias @hareldan

Part of switching is doing the legwork to identify your user’s needs up front. In your example If people are diving headfirst into switching their parents to Linux without actually knowing what their parents use the computer for then yeah, there’s going to be friction.

I switched my partner who is 100% not technical from Windows 10 to Fedora. I already had her learn Resolve for her video editing and switched to Firefox and LibreOffice ahead of time on Windows. Because I knew her use cases she hasn’t had a single issue.

It’s not an impossible task at all IMO.

@toddz @dalias @hareldan

Part of switching is doing the legwork to identify your user’s needs up front. In your example If people are diving headfirst into switching their parents to Linux without actually knowing what their parents use the computer for then yeah, there’s going to be friction.

I switched my partner who is 100% not technical from Windows 10 to Fedora. I already had her learn Resolve for her video editing and switched to Firefox and LibreOffice ahead of time on Windows. Because I knew...

18 October at 2:11 | Open on vmst.io
ToddZ replied to Brett

@bflipp @dalias @hareldan > If people are diving headfirst into switching their parents to Linux without actually knowing what their parents use the computer for...

"Diving headfirst" isn't what happened, but an assumption re. Solitaire slipped through. My comment here was meant humorously, but maybe someone can learn from my little experience.

18 October at 2:32 | Open on social.linux.pizza
Brett Flippin replied to ToddZ

@toddz

I get what you're saying. My point is that the legwork to make the transition is worth it. Especially now.

18 October at 2:47 | Open on vmst.io
Rich Felker replied to Brett

@bflipp @toddz @hareldan The problem is your presumed entitlement to make decisions for other people. You don't "let" them run Windows. They are not yours to train. They're people with their own values, priorities, decision making processes that might not reach the same conclusions you do.

18 October at 2:53 | Open on hachyderm.io
Brett Flippin replied to Rich

@dalias

You are just projecting negativity on to me because I found your use case wanting and told you so.

I'm not forcing anybody to do anything. But I do answer questions and I do educate them on what their OS is doing behind their back and offer alternatives. Particularly when I can make the transition smooth.

But you'll probably say I'm just manipulating people into using Linux at this point.

Anyway, you are incredibly boring and I'm tired of you. When I present dry facts people like you get threatened because you project authority on to me. I gave you the most logical solution and made fun of you when you didn't take it.

@dalias

You are just projecting negativity on to me because I found your use case wanting and told you so.

I'm not forcing anybody to do anything. But I do answer questions and I do educate them on what their OS is doing behind their back and offer alternatives. Particularly when I can make the transition smooth.

18 October at 3:02 | Open on vmst.io
Rich Felker replied to Brett

@bflipp You're the one who specifically said "I will not let people I care about run an OS...."

That is not okay. It is controlling and abusive. Even if you don't mean it literally, the wording reflects a sense of entitlement to make decisions for other people.

18 October at 3:06 | Open on hachyderm.io
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