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Dan Goodin

I dumped Chrome a few years ago and switched to Firefox. Now I'm thinking it may be time to dump Firefox as well. So, what do I use? Any suggestions? What about Vivaldi?

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Dan Goodin

@north

LoL, I thought you were going to say Archie or Veronica.

Taggart :donor:

@dangoodin Vivaldi has been fantastic for me, personally. I understand the concerns about it not being open source. But it's a product and project that works quite well, and its monetization plan is tolerable to me.

AAKL

@dangoodin Arc? Duck Duck Go? Firefox has a lot more flexibility, despite the ads direction.

Dr. Sbaitso

@dangoodin I've been on Vivaldi for years now, and very happy with it. They're going to support Manifest v2 as long as possible (it'll stay in Chromium for another year or so for enterprise use). They're got a built-in ad-blocker (which is also very good), and are explicitly anti-cryptoscam and anti-AI.

Dr. Sbaitso

@dangoodin They're also fully embracing the fediverse, running their own public Masto server at social.vivaldi.net.

Kevin Mirsky :donor:

@drsbaitso @dangoodin I used Vivaldi ages ago but had to give it up because unresponsive pages seemed to cause the entire browser UI to lock up. Eventually I got fed up. Have you ever experienced that? And do you still?

Maybe it's time I give it another go.

Lauren Weinstein

@dangoodin Really, there is no escape. I mean this seriously. As you move to less popular browsers from smaller companies, you tend to risk different sorts of failure modes and security problems.

Akerblad

@dangoodin
Im just thinking of switching from florp to FF nightly as they finally have a vertical tabs.
Why move away?
Take a look at floorp, I've been quite happy

Griff

@dangoodin A bunch of us dorks use Brave. The built-in ad-blocking is legit. The dude that made it was a cofounder of Firefox and was disappointed in how user data was being used.

Central Illumination Agency

@griff @dangoodin Yeah. He was also disappointed that the Mozilla userbase and (I think) staff failed to share his explicit anti-LGBTQ stance.

Mans R

@griff @dangoodin I thought he "left" because having an openly homophobic bigot among the leadership wasn't a good look.

Dan Goodin

@griff

Brave is a hard no for me for a few reasons, most notably: (1) the founder is hostile to gay rights, aka human rights and (2) the browser promotes that whole cryptocurrency ponzi scheme mythology.

Andrew Davison

@dangoodin Slim pickings if you want to use an alternative rendering engine that’s not Blink / Chromium. I’ve tried Vivaldi and it’s not bad, but I find it’s window drawing to be dog slow on macOS, so I’m staying with Firefox.

Amit Serper :donor:

@dangoodin I've been using Vivaldi for about a year now. Works great on all the platforms that I'm using - Windows, Linux, Mac, and Android

Jeri Dansky

@dangoodin My main browser is Safari, but my backup switched from Firefox to Vivaldi. Too soon to have much of an opinion, but it seems fine so far.

Mans R

@dangoodin Aren't all other browsers still one or the other of those in a trenchcoat?

TAL

@dangoodin I think it will be important that Firefox engine doesn't die, even if we can't support Mozilla anymore. So I'm going to try and stay on FF derivatives for now.

john lehet

@dangoodin I use Safari, which seems a reasonable first choice if you’re on a mac. Safari will sometimes glitch, like refusing to see captchas or other issues tied to my security settings and setup. If Safari glitches, I use Vivaldi and it’s been great.

yoasif

@dangoodin Don't do it, Dan.

Check out my post on this: quippd.com/writing/2024/10/16/ (I mention Vivaldi).

Happy to think through other objections, but the Mozilla haters are strong on Mastodon but don't feel grounded in the real world to me. Needing to pay the bills is a thing for most companies and Mozilla is no different - especially when working against much larger companies to maintain a web engine along with a browser.

@dangoodin Don't do it, Dan.

Check out my post on this: quippd.com/writing/2024/10/16/ (I mention Vivaldi).

Happy to think through other objections, but the Mozilla haters are strong on Mastodon but don't feel grounded in the real world to me. Needing to pay the bills is a thing for most companies and Mozilla is no different - especially when working against much larger companies to maintain a web engine...

Seth Pilgrim

@dangoodin team Vivaldi here bût if you’re more a Firefox engine person you should try Zen !

Alan Miller :verified_paw:

@dangoodin if I was doing that switch I'd probably run with LibreWolf or WaterFox just as the most active of the Firefox forks. You want something that's actively and rapidly updated to address things like the recent zero day.

Рыжее солнышко :catrus: :tiny_star:

@dangoodin@infosec.exchange Vivaldi ain't fully open source, only the engine itself is, UI/UX isn't. But it's enough for me and I love it. Very customizable, built-in adblocker, no tracking by default like in Firefox with all these switches in the settings, etc.

Рыжее солнышко :catrus: :tiny_star:

@dangoodin@infosec.exchange btw I too did pretty much start to use Vivaldi as my primary browser after all of the shit that Mozilla has done recently :D

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