Gregory's Server@ploum It's sad to see the downfall of Mozilla Firefox.
However, there is light on the horizon, Vivaldi is mature enough and resembles what Mozilla used to be.
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@alextecplayz @ploum Yea, that's just it, it's not only about the tech anymore, the organization behind the project matters even more, as this entire thread displays. I was there when Netscape Navigator started working on Gecko in 1997 and I'm ditching it now.  @martenbjorklund @ploum Yes, but again, Vivaldi (as a company) does nothing to move away from depending on Google. We need both, if we want a truly viable alternative to this monopoly. @alextecplayz @ploum True, right now. Chromium is released under the BSD-license and is decoupled from Google. Here is the code if you want to see for yourself: https://source.chromium.org/chromium @alextecplayz @ploum You are correct, what I meant is that it is decoupled from Google services. But again, that's not the point, the point is that the organisation behind a software project is MUCH MUCH more important than the tech right now.  @martenbjorklund @alextecplayz @ploum If you want an ungoogled Chromium ... this is the closest you get these days ... https://ungoogled-software.github.io/ Some might find @Vivaldi a viable alternative as well - but not sure how deep they go into the code to decouple Google.  @martenbjorklund it’s still Chromium under the hood. If all browsers run on Google’s rendering, then de facto Google decides what the web looks like. There need to be alternatives with market share to push back. @martenbjorklund Vivaldi is yet another Blink-/Chromium-based browser. If Firefox dies, it will take Gecko with it, so the only up-to-date browser engine will be under Google's control, and I don't see a replacement for that on the horizon. Also, Vivaldi is only freeware, even though it has open source parts, it is proprietary. Doesn't sound like an alternative to me. 😕 @martenbjorklund Right, the organization behind a software project matters, and the organization behind Blink is Google. What could Vivaldi do to wrestle control over Blink out of Google's hands?  @Kev_Prime @bwana @martenbjorklund @ploum It's even more staggering when looking at the absolute numbers. I don't think any other company or institution could possibly maintain _this_ code. |
@martenbjorklund @ploum The problem with Vivaldi is that it's still running on Chromium, so no, it doesn't resemble Mozilla, because it does nothing to the monopoly that Chromium has over browsers. Neither does Arc, Brave, etc.