Gregory's Server📢 Vivaldi Social has never been an experiment!
Hosting our own instance is one of our efforts in the fight for a better web.
Actions speak louder than words, but in case you needed some reassurance today: we’re here for the long run. :tony_wee:
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 @notmybackdoorbug Good news: you still can have an account on Vivaldi Social without using their browser. It’s totally up to you. 😃  @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi I agree that being based on Chromium is annoying, especially now that its project leader wants to put most of our beloved and useful extensions in the trash with MV3.  @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi or you know you could just not comment, and continue to not use it. 🙄 @qgustavor @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi complaining about chromium in the replies of every Vivaldi post is not going to change anything. It just comes across like you think you're better than everyone else because you don't use chromium. Spare me the whining. Just use something else. @jcrabapple @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi That's just the dismissive argument. Just use something else? LOL! If Vivaldi are trying to cash in the Mozilla failure they are fine to listen to those kinds of comments. People complaining about Mozilla aren't using Chrome/Chromium for a reason, so they should expect those kinds of comments. @qgustavor @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi trust me, they've heard it a thousand times. They already know there's a loud minority of people who want Vivaldi to switch to Firefox. Vivaldi is doing just fine as a chromium fork. There are plenty of good Firefox forks.  @jcrabapple @qgustavor @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi That's not why I think I'm better than everyone else. Not using Chromium is just one of my superior aspects. @qgustavor @jcrabapple @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi And you expect Vivaldi staff doesn't know about all the shortcomings and problems that come with chromium and the planned updates of google therein? You don't change a system that big with the snip of a finger. @Aron @qgustavor @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi it would be a huge and expensive undertaking. Likely not even worth it since they can work around a lot of the issues with Chromium. @jcrabapple @Aron @qgustavor @Vivaldi they don't have to be alone. Just need Brave and some others on their side, fork Chromium! @Catweazle @qgustavor @jcrabapple @Vivaldi It's still Chromium, so Google can kill it off when it wants. So not good enough. @notmybackdoorbug @Catweazle @qgustavor @Vivaldi If you're worried about it then don't use it.  @lightgreyhal @Vivaldi Firefox, Waterfox and Webkit-gtk/qt based browsers. Perfect? Heck no. But at least it gives a fight against Chromium. Action speak louder than words, if so, move away from Chromium. Do totally support their move they stay here though. Edit: and yes, I was a big Chrome user until a couple of weeks ago. But I now see why Google must be defeated. @notmybackdoorbug @lightgreyhal @Vivaldi bro went from regular Chrome user to Webkit taliban in two weeks. @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi I also use firefox, but I fear they have something up their sleeve. It would be sad to have to switch; I’ve been using it for years and years. @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi I won't use your browser because it's based on chromium, it's new, I'm vegan 🤷🏻♂️ @danieltoth @Vivaldi Haha It's good they stay on the fediverse, but if you really want to make a statement. I might be autistic sometimes in what tech I use. @Vivaldi si vuestro navegador no estuviese basado en chromium, lo usaría. Se os ve mas comprometidos con la comunidad que la Mozilla actual   @Kdude @Vivaldi IIRC Gecko is a nightmare to embed the way Vivaldi does Chromium. A lot of Firefox forks are forked from the entire browser for this reason. I recall from a friend that Second Life had to switch from Gecko to Chromium for its embedded web browser. Servo seems to be the way forward in this regard but it's still in development. @HarbingerOfSalem @Vivaldi servo was the reason I switched back to Firefox so many years ago @Vivaldi I've been using Zen since there are extensions I use that don't want to go for MV3 (LibRedirect if you're wondering). Vivaldi is still my backup tho. Genuinely, though, thank you for what you do and sticking with your principles where Mozilla hasn't. :blobfoxheart: @MediaActivist @Vivaldi I've heard something but I'm not sure either. I think the issue is maintaining the Chromium codebase for something like that. Firefox funnily enough has a similar problem, which is why Firefox gets forked directly and people aren't just embedding Gecko into the browser. This was probably why Mozilla started Servo, but we know what happened there... @MediaActivist @Vivaldi Yup! It's got a ways to go, still, but nonetheless I'm glad it's around and independent from Mozilla now, especially with how Mozilla's been acting lately.   You can't "fight for the better web" with a proprietary fork of a monopolistic engine run by an ad and surveillance company @gloopsies @Vivaldi oh, I agree. It’s just that I understand their reasoning. They are stuck with Chromium at this point, but making their fork Free Software might still happen in the future. They want to do it, but it is always a tough decision to give the competition your secret sauce if it is feeding your families.    @Vivaldi If Vivaldi were to have a sync feature like FF does, and be opensource, I'd move over in a flash. As it sits now, Vivaldi is a backup browser. I use it as a "second opinion " browser should something look odd in another one. @lunaticatlarge @Vivaldi I don't know if it works exactly like FF's, but it has a sync feature https://help.vivaldi.com/tutorials/vivaldi-desktop/vivaldi-sync-on-all-your-devices/ @starfennec @Vivaldi Thanks for this.  @lunaticatlarge @Vivaldi I think the browser itself is open source. It is the interface that is not. That is because they do a lot of unique things to make it so insanely customizable. The Vivaldi team has been very open about it and I appreciate their candor. I think they have earned my trust until I'm proven otherwise. I'll take the four-fifths of a loaf rather than seeking out the perfect thing.   @Vivaldi Pleased to say we will be trying you out starting today! Already got it on the iPad. Seeing Mozilla’s recent recent posting for hires, pretty much left the bottom out of my faith in Firefox’s future. Sad for them - happy for you! Just please, don’t be evil™   @Vivaldi OK then - if openness is not an experiment for you, why is your browser still partially closed source?
 I've said it before, I'm not going to trust 100% in Vivaldi because one should never trust things like this 100%, but right now I choose Vivaldi over Firefox. I'm just tired of the constant betrayals. Yes, it's Chromium, and that sucks. But I think the fight should be taken directly to the Chromium project or support other engine projects, and not simply keep trying to prop up a browser whose "owners" seem to be actively sabotaging things at the behest of Google.  @Vivaldi While I appreciate everything y'all do, I just can't support Google's Chromium monopolistic takeover of our open and free web.  @Vivaldi I am glad and congratulate you for being part of the community in mastodon and the fediverse. However, I reaffirm my criticisms as a user that you are not free (libre) software and also support the monopoly of browsers based on chromium. @mozilla @FirefoxNightly @FirefoxDevTools Mozilla Firefox I will miss you in the fediverse. Saludos desde México. 🇲🇽 :NKO_saludo:   @Vivaldi The argument that Vivaldi is closed and therefore not trustworthy is understandable. But... The argument that it is not because it is based on Chromium is childish, too idealistic. Projects like Ungoogled Chromium, Bromite, Cromite, have shown that a freer Chromium is possible. Child idealism does nothing for a better Internet, only hinders good projects to progress |
@Vivaldi Yeah. Still not gonna use your browser #chromium