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Gustavo

@jcrabapple @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi And you expect Vivaldi not to change from Chromium if no one tells them about that? It is not about them disliking Vivaldi, but Chromium, which is mostly influenced by Google which is not good. Even if Chromium is open source, Google power over it is too strong and really bad. Example? The fact they removed JPEG XL code, which would be great for nature (as it's a better image codec, thus it reduces bandwidth and storage costs, recusing impact of servers on nature) without citing ANY good argument, is terrible.

18 September at 14:38 | Wall-to-wall | Open on urusai.social
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Jcrabapple

@qgustavor @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi complaining about chromium in the replies of every Vivaldi post is not going to change anything. It just comes across like you think you're better than everyone else because you don't use chromium. Spare me the whining. Just use something else.

18 September at 14:43 | Open on dmv.community
Gustavo

@jcrabapple @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi That's just the dismissive argument. Just use something else? LOL! If Vivaldi are trying to cash in the Mozilla failure they are fine to listen to those kinds of comments. People complaining about Mozilla aren't using Chrome/Chromium for a reason, so they should expect those kinds of comments.

18 September at 14:56 | Open on urusai.social
Jcrabapple

@qgustavor @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi trust me, they've heard it a thousand times. They already know there's a loud minority of people who want Vivaldi to switch to Firefox. Vivaldi is doing just fine as a chromium fork. There are plenty of good Firefox forks.

18 September at 15:00 | Open on dmv.community
crazyeddie

@jcrabapple @qgustavor @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi That's not why I think I'm better than everyone else. Not using Chromium is just one of my superior aspects.

18 September at 15:01 | Open on mastodon.social
Aron

@qgustavor @jcrabapple @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi

And you expect Vivaldi staff doesn't know about all the shortcomings and problems that come with chromium and the planned updates of google therein?

You don't change a system that big with the snip of a finger.

18 September at 17:05 | Open on nerdculture.de
Jcrabapple

@Aron @qgustavor @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi it would be a huge and expensive undertaking. Likely not even worth it since they can work around a lot of the issues with Chromium.

18 September at 17:13 | Open on dmv.community
Thaha Jemni

@jcrabapple @Aron @qgustavor @Vivaldi they don't have to be alone.

Just need Brave and some others on their side, fork Chromium!

18 September at 17:31 | Open on mastodon.social
Catweazle

@qgustavor @jcrabapple @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi, not so strong, main influence in Chromium browsers by Google is in the Chrome Store because now with Mv3 descaffeinated Adblockers where Mv3 is deadly, but irrelevant for Vivaldi due to the own inbuild ad/trackerblocker out of the influence by Google. Other extensions mostly not needed and irrelevant if Mv2 or Mv3, others from the store are directly redundant due own inbuild features.

Vivaldi is based on Chromium, but degoogled apart some APIs as options in the settings. It has less relations with Google than Moilla.
You can even install additional features with scripts direct as extension, if you want, without the need of an userscript manager, also out of the Google influence.

Vivaldi isn't like other Chromiums.

@qgustavor @jcrabapple @notmybackdoorbug @Vivaldi, not so strong, main influence in Chromium browsers by Google is in the Chrome Store because now with Mv3 descaffeinated Adblockers where Mv3 is deadly, but irrelevant for Vivaldi due to the own inbuild ad/trackerblocker out of the influence by Google. Other extensions mostly not needed and irrelevant if Mv2 or Mv3, others from the store are directly redundant due own inbuild features.

18 September at 18:40 | Open on social.vivaldi.net
Thaha Jemni

@Catweazle @qgustavor @jcrabapple @Vivaldi It's still Chromium, so Google can kill it off when it wants.

So not good enough.

18 September at 19:39 | Open on mastodon.social
Jcrabapple
Catweazle

@notmybackdoorbug @qgustavor @jcrabapple @Vivaldi

Google can't kill an OpenSource project and less Chromium, because it will kill himself, apart of a lot of big problems with big companies, eg.Microsoft.
This will be the biggest kick in the ass of Google in all his history and probably the end of Google.

No, It is much more likely that Blink is going to be the standard on the web and the only survivor.

That Mozilla with Gecko is in full decline is becoming more and more evident, it has not been able to become a standard following a marginal engine that practically no company or group uses.

The same will happen with WebKit, which no one outside of Apple uses and even now Apple is forced, for the moment in the EU, to also support browsers with a different engine.

It's the law of the market and standards where in the end there can only be one left and this will be Blink sooner or later, yes or yes.

This is the power of Google, the web and it is there where with its APIs it has influences on most websites and its services anyway where it dictates its rules, not on Chromium itself.

@notmybackdoorbug @qgustavor @jcrabapple @Vivaldi

Google can't kill an OpenSource project and less Chromium, because it will kill himself, apart of a lot of big problems with big companies, eg.Microsoft.
This will be the biggest kick in the ass of Google in all his history and probably the end of Google.

18 September at 21:29 | Open on social.vivaldi.net
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