Gregory's ServerMozilla leadership
(in ref to https://mozilla.social/@mozilla/113153943609185249 )
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@davidrevoy
Mozilla likely can't make bank on defaulting a certain search engine for their Mastodon node.  @davidrevoy A for-profit corporation that absolutely loathes feedback from end users and community members, except when it's dripping with praise for their latest attempt to appease techbro capitalists, is cutting off an avenue for feedback on a platform largely populated by people who violently hate techbro capitalism. I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner. How did this even happen? Is Mozilla made up entirely of people who didn’t get accepted by google?  they were still in private beta with a whopping 270 members. They never did take it sincerely nor seriously  @davidrevoy Oh, I hadn't heard… I.. I just don't get how Mozilla keeps making these choices that burn community goodwill. But your comic is a fun, lighthearted way to represent it. One day that fox of fire will have a good caretaker.  @pch @digitalfox @davidrevoy So you would rather use a chromium fork? That sounds like madness. But you do you.  @skedarwarrior @pch @digitalfox @davidrevoy There are browsers based on webkit https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/ AND there are browsers based on Firefox like @zenbrowser @thibaultmol @pch @digitalfox @davidrevoy @zenbrowser If you mean something like badwolf, yeah that is an option. You are correct. Gnome is a hot mess though imo. First time is accidental  @thibaultmol @skedarwarrior @pch @digitalfox @davidrevoy @zenbrowser tbh epiphany is a non-browser, many sites break in it @davidrevoy  @davidrevoy The web can't afford for Firefox to go away. I really hope someone figures out how to make Mozilla effective and sustainable. @kaelef @davidrevoy The option you are seeking is palemoon probably. I use it currently and its fairly decent. If not, ladybird is the only other option. Btw, palemoon doesn't suck as much as it used to, now that Tobin is no longer part of the project. He was like mozilla alas, toxic and very aggressive. But yeah a situation happened where he tried to seize palemoon's servers but moonchild stopped most of them from being seized.   @charadon @davidrevoy So it will join irc.mozilla.org and news.mozilla.org... Yes, remember when Mozilla still had their own IRC server and their own NetNews service (this one hosted by Giganews)? (Speaking of irc.mozilla.org, anyone knows what happened with http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/? Is it available under a different domain?)   @Juankz @davidrevoy so many good and important services and even products. Such a shame. Mozilla is less worse than Google et al, but let’s be frank - we need a community-developed browser. Enough of this corporate bullshit. @davidrevoy Mozilla has become kind of a clown I will admit. But its not 100% evil like Google. Its close, but there's still some traces of goodness left. Or they would embrace webextensions v3 without caring.  @skedarwarrior @davidrevoy it's easier/cheaper to do nothing to stay on v2 than invest in v3. @alesroubicek @davidrevoy Maybe, but mozilla gets enough funds from Google, they could be coaxed into thinking otherwise. But if they don't, that shows they have a tiny bit of intelligence/sense @davidrevoy You’d make a good politician cartoonist, but I wouldn’t want to wish that upon someone nice. @davidrevoy I left Mozilla after a decade of working at the Foundation because it was more than obvious that it had no idea wtf it was doing and they were no longer aligned with my moral compass. And they've just kept on reinforcing that over and over the last few years. @pbaesse @davidrevoy note that Mozilla is not the Mozilla Foundation, though. Which is another hilarious topic. @pbaesse @davidrevoy they've never been the same thing. The foundation is the nonprofit focused on advocacy, "Mozilla" is the for profit corporation that makes products, like Firefox. The same people are involved at the top, but they're different companies with different employees working on different things. But both "governed by the Mozilla manifesto". When that still meant something (it hasn't meant much for years now).  @davidrevoy You really made it lol. The clown-fox-meme is real :blobcatjoy: Enjoying this one always. If only the occasion would be happier
  @davidrevoy I think of a lot of other references related to Mozilla where this applies too! 😬  @davidrevoy In the context of this: while many of the actions of @mozilla feel annoying (i.e. axing FirefoxOS just before it became widespread in South America) and while it doesn’t look like that if you plot a market share which includes the massively growing number of mobile devices with a bundled browser: Firefox has been mostly keeping its users since 2017.  @ArneBab @davidrevoy @mozilla If you look at https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity it's been on a slow descent from ~200M in 2019 to ~160M in 2024.
@ArneBab sure. But that it the bare minimum. The numbers should be increasing, even a just a bit, or they should at least stick better with their principles. @pbaesse for the numbers to increase, I see three things as necessary: - antitrust regulation against bundling browsers on mobile Reason: the number of desktop computers is decreasing. Agreed. But that happen and other important decisions to happen they have to change their governance. The way it's today explains a lot of the bad choices. @shauna and @ryanleesipes provided goods examples of governance. Look at the nice results of Thunderbird. Amazing. https://social.coop/@shauna/113155700649119536 @pbaesse That sounds plausible. Though I’m not happy with Thunderbird having broken Pretty Easy Privacy (pEp) just two months after that actually started to work for people who sent me messages. @ArneBab Sure, but that is normal. We will probably never agree with every decision, but we should with the most, or more importantly with the direction that the NGO or some foundation are heading to. @davidrevoy For the time after 2021 Mozillas Statistics show something worrying again: (as addition to the graph I plotted)
Interesting that they almost managed to stop the decline for a few years there. In 2024 after the recent string of nonsensical decisions it's down to 158 million. @davidrevoy I'm learning about its existence just now... I'm sticking to firefox still... but it really is because I don't want any google shit... The state of the net is appalling... isnt leaving dead projects behind a google-thing to do?... isnt mozilla afraid google might call foul and sue them for copying their business strategy?  @davidrevoy I am quite sure your intentions are not as bad as it seems, but something feels really wrong with that post. #diversity    |
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