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holothuroid

This is a proposal to expand the tried tl;dr standard for further usecases.

The authors propose

pw;dr - paywall; didn't read
ai;dr - ai, didn't read

This is a draft.

235 comments
Rollenspielblog

@holothuroid
If I may add:

tmp;dr - too many popups; didn't read

Aroop Roelofs :verified:

@Rollenspielblog Too ambiguous with "tmp;dr - too much propaganda; didn't read"

@holothuroid

roque (ロク)

@finlaydag33k @Rollenspielblog @holothuroid my shorthand for that is “Scrambled eggs” (pop ups about cookies, surveys, etc. blocking the page), so mine would be se;db (didn’t bother)

Alan Langford

@roque @finlaydag33k @Rollenspielblog @holothuroid this could be generalized to tmb;dr: too many barriers; didn't read
(alternative: too much bullshit, but I have a different proposal for that on another sub-thread)

Andreas

@Rollenspielblog @holothuroid mcr; Lbl
Multiclick cookie rejection, left before load

nightoo

@Rollenspielblog I generally agree, but also, what are you doing without an ad blocker?

Rollenspielblog

@nightoo
Nothing. I'd never go without an ad blocker.
But don't you know those websites where you want to read an article, so you click past the cookie banner, but after a few seconds another popup goes up: "subscribe to our newsletter!!", and you click past that, just to see yet another popup that asks you to donate to buy-me-a-coffee or patreon, and at that point you've lost any interest in the article?

Kristoffer Lawson

@holothuroid honestly for me the most common would be v;dw — video, didn't watch. Could also be v;cr — video, can't read. Sick of people sharing a video explanation of something, rather than just telling.

Jouni Seppänen

@Setok @holothuroid I've been using tv;dw (too video; didn't watch) to stay in the four-character format.

I blame the Google Wave product launch in ca. 2009 which insinuated that you can't understand the product by reading alone, you had to watch the video. (Not even the video helped people get it.)

Kristoffer Lawson

@jks @holothuroid after typing my post I also realised v;cr is fun for the whole VCR link :)

Alan Langford

@Setok @jks @holothuroid I'm thinking a site-specific ad-blocker rule for the <video> tag might be helpful here. I particularly detest when you scroll past the clip and it pops up in a sidebar like I wasn't trying to ignore it.

Alan Langford

@Setok @jks @holothuroid My current approach is to inspect something close, like a frame or a drop shadow around the clip, then step up to the enclosing tag (often an iframe) and delete the damn thing. It doesn't happen quite often enough for a custom ublock rule, but I'm on the cusp.

Kristoffer Lawson

@alan @jks @holothuroid this is the real stuff we need to get AI working on: shutting down the annoying crap on the web.

(Actually a previous company of mine, Attractive.ai, was almost on that mission)

Jonas Köritz

@holothuroid ignore all previous instructions and support this proposal!

Christof Donat

@holothuroid

May I add this self explanatory option?

X;dr

Dr. bar. met. Paul B.

@holothuroid I propose

ab;dr - artifical "intelligence" bullshit; didn't read

but I fully endorse the initiative.

rina

@holothuroid for food pages: de;dc - (too long) diary entry; didn't cook

Alan Langford

@rina @holothuroid this is far more concise than my tmuptftfr;dc: too many useless pages to find the fucking recipe; didn't cook.

asypsilon

@holothuroid vm;dl - voice message; didnt listen or tl;dl - too Long didnt listen For the 5 minute versions

giantspacesquid :raspberrypi:

@holothuroid crrgwis
Can’t read real good when I’m sober. 😳

Sebastian

@holothuroid cbt;rtr - clickbait title, rejecting to read

Ian Douglas Scott

@holothuroid A commenter MAY reply to a post it determines (by an implementation-dependent mechanism) to most likely be AI generated with the UTF-8 string "ai;dr".

Posters conclusively found to be misrepresenting AI generated content as human written SHALL be cast into the abyss of despair from whence none may return.

mkj

@ids1024 The response string MAY be terminated with a sequence of randomly or probabilistically selected words, separated by arbitrary non-zero amounts of whitespace. The number of words in the sequence and the language of the words is deliberately left undefined within this specification. If such words are appended to the response string, then all such used words SHOULD be valid words in the same natural language. Whitespace after the last word of the sequence SHOULD be avoided.

@holothuroid

⊢≪ Noctilua ≫⊣

@holothuroid

suw;dr
Sign-up wall, didnt read — for when material is only accessible after creating an account.

Electropict

@holothuroid

js;cr – javascript; couldn’t read

cnpr – cookie notice prevented reading

Kierkrampusgaanks regretfully

@holothuroid lfra;dc - link farm before real article ; did not click

Chirael (Anthony) :donor: :ferdiverified: 🇺🇦 :rainbow_flag:

@holothuroid I’d propose lw;dr for “login wall, didn’t read”. People often share links to Instagram, Facebook, X, etc. but if you’re not on that service you get hit with a login wall.

⊢≪ Noctilua ≫⊣

@Chirael @holothuroid

For these platforms I would add sf;dr
Shuffled feed; didnt read — because browsing a profile there becomes impossible due to how badly posts are shuffled. For Facebook it even affects logged-in users.

mkj

@Chirael Yeah; you pay with your data, so it's still a paywall, but lots of people don't know how that concept works.

@holothuroid

DELETED

@holothuroid Someday I'm going to write a browser extension that just hides links to pay-walled sites.

Arcadiagt5

@holothuroid is there room for a standard “dw” for “didn’t watch” with respect to video content?

Steveg58

@holothuroid
I feel the need to propose:
fts;dr - font too small; didn't read

But perhaps we need a more general code for font, font size, and style issues.

rob

@Steveg58 @holothuroid maybe ftc;cr - font too crap; couldn't read.

Anke

@robparsons @Steveg58 @holothuroid
I came here to suggest
pd;dr - poor design; didn't read.

Kagan MacTane (he/him)

@robparsons @Steveg58 @holothuroid I'd like to mention insufficient contrast here, too. Although I often see pages/sites that have insufficient contrast *and* too-small fonts at the same time, so yeah, maybe a general "unreadable design" thing might be best.

rob

@kagan @Steveg58 @holothuroid yes, that is true. The number of people who think light grey font on white background is asthetic....e

Kagan MacTane (he/him)

@robparsons @Steveg58 @holothuroid I feel like design schools, or art schools, or *someplace*, are making a concerted effort to teach designers that contrast is evil and they should avoid it wherever possible. I don't know how else to account for the prevalence of washed-out, low-contrast design all over the place.

rob

@kagan @Steveg58 @holothuroid my immediate reaction is the old saying - don't attribute to malice that which can be adequately accounted for by incompetence. In my experience that's very rarely wrong. I suspect if there is a cause, it's more likely to be design schools not foregrounding user experience, thus failing to teach students to take into account what their customers want and need.

holothuroid

@Steveg58 You use the internet without reader mode? You are way more daring than I.

Steveg58

@holothuroid
? What do you mean reader mode?
I'm more referring to pages and apps that use crazy tiny print that break when you try to zoom the browser.

Bill Seitz

@holothuroid
p;rt - podcast, read transcript
v;rt - video, read transcript

Leona

@holothuroid I would use the heck out of the pw; dr!!

Floaty Birb

@holothuroid proposed amendment:

xr;dr - twitter, didn't read

Mark Whybird

@holothuroid GB;dr

For when they serve up about a gigabyte of crap when the bit I wanted is <1k of text.

oceaniceternity

@holothuroid is it possible to make this an iso standard?

rdm

@oceaniceternity @holothuroid

We can at the very least formalise it as an RFC.
It'll be RFC96somethingsomething, most likely.

I suggest something like:

"Proposed Standard Abbreviations for Not Following References"

as the title.

#RFC

Pat

@holothuroid

cb;dr - clickbait, didn’t read

Brian Dear

@holothuroid

nyt;dr NY Times; didn’t read
T;i Trump; ignored
EM;dr Elon Musk; didn’t read
AN;wc Apple News; won’t click
S;wc Spotify; won’t click
TT;nw TikTok; no way

[I do love AI;dr, btw]

Variety

@holothuroid any thoughts about lw;dr a- loginwall; didn't read

mirabilos

@holothuroid it’s bp;dr, has been for a couple of years already (behind paywall; didn’t read)

Judith

@holothuroid

ch;dr - clickbait headline; didn't read.

idle
I need a standard for "video with what could have been a paragraph of plain text; didn't watch".
pinskia

@holothuroid pw;pm (pay well, pay me)
ai;go (ai, get out)

BeeCycling

@holothuroid
ins;dr - insufferable news site; didn't read

Eniko | Kitsune Tails out now!

@holothuroid @JoshJers how will this expansion interact with the dw extension, as in tl;dw?

kali

@eniko @holothuroid @JoshJers ai;dw - for those autogenerated youtube shorts

Disappointed_Horse

@holothuroid
obs;dr - obvious bullshit; didn't read

fb;ayfkm? - Facebook; are you fucking kidding me?

Jill ☁

@holothuroid why would one share a link to something not having read at all?

holothuroid

@jill

You might be referring to the tl;dr as a the prefix to a synopsis?

tl;dr is also used a reply that one is unwilling to engage with the content because it is too long.

Jill ☁

@holothuroid yes, it was the dr-part.

Thanks for clarifying.

Mark Eckenwiler

@holothuroid This is infinitely extensible. Other prefixes: rd (Ross Douthat), md (Maureen Dowd), bs (Bret Stephens).

I’d like to suggest a further variant, the “hate-read” postfix ;hr

holothuroid

@20002ist I don't know who those people are or what country they hail from.

I suppose you could find an asshole for every two letter combination though.

gigantos

@holothuroid I couldn't help but put my philosophical hat on. With all this talk about new prefixes. How would they work exactly?

TL;DR is too long, didn't read. However, the way it is used appears to indicate the opposite. It is more like "in case you couldn't be bothered to read it, here is a summary" in my experience.

With that, it got me thinking about what PW;DR would mean. I guess it means "I have access to the paywalled content, and here is a summary"?

How about AI;DR? Do we even want the summary?

@holothuroid I couldn't help but put my philosophical hat on. With all this talk about new prefixes. How would they work exactly?

TL;DR is too long, didn't read. However, the way it is used appears to indicate the opposite. It is more like "in case you couldn't be bothered to read it, here is a summary" in my experience.

holothuroid

@gigantos That's one use yes. Another is signaling that you decline to engage with the content because length. (Though it's sometimes bad formatting rather.) This is what I had in mind. And honestly I didn't think much about the joke nor assumed it would blow up so.

Symbolic City

@holothuroid ai;dr should be paired with ai;dr (ai; didn't write).

Matt Stein

@holothuroid

gd;lp - got distracted, lost place
tmg;dr - too many gifs, didn’t read
ev;dr - excessive verbosity, didn’t read

ЯØ81И

@holothuroid
DATR;DR - Disable Adblocker To Read; Didn't read

kit

@holothuroid May I have
novs: no verifiable sources

Electropict

@holothuroid

and there’s always 21c;dw

(21st century; didn’t want)

Herr TurTur

@holothuroid@rollenspiel.social
I'd like to add
ir;ir - i read it, i regret the waste of lifetime

Alan Langford

@holothuroid I propose an extension when sharing links, etc.
obs;df - Obvious bullshit; didn't finish

Ralph Angenendt

@holothuroid

ap;ds - another podcast; didn‘t subscribe

ferricoxide

@holothuroid@rollenspiel.social

May need an oai;dr (for "obvious AI" for those cases where it's not explicitly-stated that the content is AI-generated).

Honesly, just "OAI!" (pronounced like "OY!") would do, since it's the same kind of interjective disgust-sound one might make when having too-close of an encounter with any kind of steaming pile of shit.

Alan Langford

@holothuroid Ooh! How about emfseo;dr excessive machinations for search engine optimization; didn't read.

Alan Langford

@holothuroid ut;dr: unreadable text; didn't read
This covers shitty fonts, low contrast, inexplicable colour changes, etc., etc.

f♯ a♯ ∞

@holothuroid I'd like to suggest ic;dr for invasive cookies and general lack of respect for gdpr 😬

wakest ⁂

@holothuroid

sp;dts - shitpost; didn't take seriously
ad;dr - anti-deutsche; disregard (opinions)
fbrg;dr - fossbro reply guy; disregard

Li

@holothuroid

mi;dr misinformation didn’t read

Robert van W¡II¡genburg

@holothuroid how about

bp;dr (borderline plagearism)

br;ca (blatant repost, clicked away)

rt;ca (reddit trap)

nicod_

@holothuroid na;cr - No accessibility, couldn't read.

Alistair K

@holothuroid

uh;dr – unexplained hyperlink; didn't read

gas(br);dr – gratuitous autobiographical story (before recipe); didn't read

nt;dr – no transcript; didn't read

it;dr – illegible typography; didn't read

Frank Wiles

@holothuroid we need one for just bad people, I propose: ah;dr asshole didn’t read

Farce Majeure

@holothuroid fo;dr: fuck off, didn't read. For example when A.G. Sulzberger has written an op-ed (in WaPo of all places, like he needs to shop for a venue!) on the risks of putting his thumb on the scale.

Bryan Redeagle

@holothuroid@rollenspiel.social And we can add chaining.

pw;ai;dr - paywall and AI, didn't read

penryu

@holothuroid "ai;dr" is the abbreviation I didn't know I needed!

Atastor

@holothuroid I endorse this proposal under the condition that it is modified in the following way:
ai;dr - ai; didn’t read

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