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 @rysiek we also need to discuss security and privacy separately. I’ve seen so much “the encryption is so bad” but I have not found any information if it’s actually broken. an then… the very difficult question about moderation - and with that, where censorship may begin. there is however no doubt that telegram is very important for Ukraine and the people in danger as well. 15 comments
@rysiek Don't get me wrong; I agree with you! Of course it's a choice; but we also know it's difficult to make people change. I deleted Whatsapp years ago, I have lost contacts because of it.  > By that standard they should get to other CEO's too. Other CEOs of what kind of services? Facebook, Instagram, Twitter? Yeah, probably there is some responsibility to consider for unencrypted social networks. Signal? WhatsApp? Absolutely not, these are end-to-end encrypted internet messaging services, and the service providers have no access or control over the contents of conversations. Telegram is a social network that pretends to be an encrypted IM. @rysiek That is exactly the question. > In Signal and Whatsapp you have the problem that your Phone number is known to anyone in a group chat Not in Signal anymore. They finally solved it: But agreed on privacy controls etc.  @rysiek @waldschnecke it has been partially fixed at best. You still can see the phone number in app versions from before the update.  As long as Signal does not cooperate with local officials this would be also okay when not (like telegram) - but they do. Which means that your activist group can be anonymized with a search warrant against signal. https://signal.org/bigbrother/santa-clara-county/ Also Signal is again a central service and it is much better to do this error not again und bring up the next big entity that can screw us over. @m @rysiek True. A question of threat-model to an extend? I use Stickers and Gifs quite extensively and a lot of ppl i know do this too. ppl just do not care about E2E, they care if their emotion they have can be easily represented and how much fun it makes to write with friends ... all Matrix clients fail miserably at this. Funnily enough this is also a reason why i don't use Discord that often. It is just not acceptable nowadays to press enter and your messages only appears after 2 seconds... and your client has layout recalculation errors. @rysiek @m @waldschnecke this is the reason I stayed with telegram after moving away from whatsapp and trying alternatives years ago.. I wasn't even able to really send videos and such on signal back then in addition to other functionality I considered essential for an IM app. telegram had it all and so i stayed. Turning on e2e manually is annoying but not a deal breaker. Having a half functioning app like signal was back then is one. Still I will try signal again since it seems to have improved a whole lot |
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@waldschnecke it's important for Ukraine and people in danger because people choose to use it. We should guide them to safer alternatives instead, Telegram is putting people in harm's way.
I write about the encryption and why it is bad.
One of the main points is that Telegram is misleading people about it.
Secret Chats are unwieldy and limited, and have to be turned on explicitly for each contact separately – and thus almost nobody uses them.
But Telegram pretends everything is encrypted.