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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@m @waldschnecke

> In Signal and Whatsapp you have the problem that your Phone number is known to anyone in a group chat

Not in Signal anymore. They finally solved it:
signal.org/blog/phone-number-p

But agreed on privacy controls etc.

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Jeder :neocat_floof: :neocat_flag_agender:

@rysiek @waldschnecke it has been partially fixed at best. You still can see the phone number in app versions from before the update.

Schneckbert 🐌

@rysiek @m Yup. About time. Now they need to make sign-up possible without a number at all please

Mia🏳️‍⚧️🌸(too hot for you)💋

@waldschnecke @rysiek

As long as Signal does not cooperate with local officials this would be also okay when not (like telegram) - but they do.

Which means that your activist group can be anonymized with a search warrant against signal.

signal.org/bigbrother/santa-cl

Also Signal is again a central service and it is much better to do this error not again und bring up the next big entity that can screw us over.

Schneckbert 🐌

@m @rysiek True. A question of threat-model to an extend?
Decentralized E2E is probably always better (at least I can't think of why not).
But it doesn't have much exposure. Like Deltachat, Matrix (there might be an encryption or metadata problem with matrix? (Have not read it yet: soatok.blog/2024/08/14/securit) and others.

Mia🏳️‍⚧️🌸(too hot for you)💋

@waldschnecke @rysiek

I use Stickers and Gifs quite extensively and a lot of ppl i know do this too.
And from the idk 5 or so clients i used only one has a solution that works good, but it had a super high frustration hurdle.

ppl just do not care about E2E, they care if their emotion they have can be easily represented and how much fun it makes to write with friends ... all Matrix clients fail miserably at this.

Schneckbert 🐌

@m @rysiek True. Also the clients are sometimes horribly laggy and slow (looking at you iOS Element...) These days user-experience needs to be good, otherwise you can't really migrate anyone but your hardcore-nerd-friends over.

Mia🏳️‍⚧️🌸(too hot for you)💋

@waldschnecke @rysiek

Funnily enough this is also a reason why i don't use Discord that often.

It is just not acceptable nowadays to press enter and your messages only appears after 2 seconds... and your client has layout recalculation errors.

b1_66er

@rysiek @m @waldschnecke this is the reason I stayed with telegram after moving away from whatsapp and trying alternatives years ago.. I wasn't even able to really send videos and such on signal back then in addition to other functionality I considered essential for an IM app. telegram had it all and so i stayed. Turning on e2e manually is annoying but not a deal breaker. Having a half functioning app like signal was back then is one. Still I will try signal again since it seems to have improved a whole lot

Schneckbert 🐌

@b1_66er @rysiek @m It definitely did improve a lot over the past few years yea.

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