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Simon Willison

I have a Mac. If I want to test something on the kind of Windows machine that developers who use Windows would use (so I guess Windows 11 and not Windows Server?) what are my best options for doing that? Any good online providers where I can spend a few dollars on the ability to remote-desktop into a Windows machine?

I tried using Azure for this earlier and got to the bit with this checkbox and noped right out of there:

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l confirm I have an eligible Windows 10/11 license with multi-tenant hosting rights.  Please confirm.

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Simon Willison

I'm hoping to avoid running VMWare Fusion or Parallels or similar on my laptop because I'm a bit low on disk space at the moment

Simon Willison

I've been trying to figure things out by SSHing into a "windows-latest" runner in GitHub Actions, but I think that's running a highly customized Windows Server instance which probably isn't a good reflection of what a regular developer would be using on their own machine

Alex Russell

@simon Do you have access to Azure Virtual Desktop?

Simon Willison

@slightlyoff oh that's different from "Azure Virtual Machines", this might be what I want!

Not sure why it thinks I'm called "allison", or what a "host pool" is

Azure Zirtual Desktop portal

"allison, create a host pool!"
Simon Willison

@slightlyoff I think I'm too much of a coward to risk clicking through this thing, I'm going to dig out an external SSD and try VirtualBox locally instead!

Alex Russell

@simon AVD is the "right" answer, AFAICT. It's what we (Edge) use for remote development and fast bring-up for new Chromium/Edgium instances, and the machines can be super beefy if you need that. No idea what the admin/acquisition story is like, but it's a cromulent answer if it meets your needs.

Patrick Reynolds

@simon @slightlyoff UTM, which is based on qemu, may be a smoother experience than VirtualBox at this point.

Reilly Wood

@simon You are correct (in that Windows Server is rarely used on developer machines, and GitHub runners have a ton of nonstandard stuff installed)

Martin Owens :inkscape:

@simon Let me know if you find something. Also need.

Hynek Schlawack

@simon All them models taking their toll huh? 😅

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@simon if it wasn’t for the disk space issue, would this help? developer.microsoft.com/en-us/ Microsoft makes Win11 images available for testing purposes—VirtualBox and VMWare etc.

Tyler K. Nothing

@simon Do you perchance have an external USB 3.2 gen 2 drive? Like a Samsung T7 SSD with USB-C? Those runs almost as fast as internal storage so you can install Fusion (now free) and put Windows on that drive.

Simon Willison

@tylerknowsnothing I have exactly that Samsung T7 SSD... thanks, I'll give that a go

Tyler K. Nothing

@simon I have an Intel Mini 2019 that I run Plex on and have 2 5TB platter drives attached for the media libraries and transfer speeds a very fast. I use T7s for backups and those are even faster.

Functional Adult Human

@simon google cloud windows vms have pay as you go licencing. AWS too.

I thought Azure did too, but been a while since I provisioned a VM in the UI there.

Buuut… they’ll be server, not desktop editions.

I’d try QEMU or parallels, myself.

Matt May

@simon If you’re going to want it for a year or longer, it’s probably better in terms of bang for buck to buy a used HP or Dell mini. I got an HP Elitedesk mini G5 (i5-9500, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD) for $150, including a Win10/11 Pro key stored in UEFI. No monthly fees or emulation headaches.

Tuula :verified:

@simon BrowserStack , basically it is OS and/or browser on a cloud mainly used for testing. Not sure how much you can install it though... and quite pricey.

Daniel

@simon Get a Windows 11 key off eBay, then click that checkbox…

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