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petition to rename "width" to "widgth" for monospace consistency with "height" and "length"

179 comments
Nina Kalinina

@aeva better still, rename the other two: lenth and heith!

d@nny "disc@" mc²

@aeva very appropriate for calculating widget dimensions

Emmy - Dial Tone *biiiiip*

@aeva why not? The 'g' is silent anyway. Not like it would be any *more* confusing than anything else in English.😋

Zeiros Lion

@aeva I hate this... only because it makes entirely too much sense.

Fabian Giesen

@aeva anarchist take:

wide
high
tall
deep
long <-- curse you, C

Anthropy :verified_dragon:

@aeva maybe, but what about heidth and lengdth (and depdth), or perhaps more daringly, hidth, lidth and dipdth

Bruce Elrick

@aeva

Next April you need to send a PR to some code base that would have a lot of changes, like Gnome.

Bruce Elrick

@aeva
Bonus points if it passes CI tests.

DELETED

@aeva spell checkers hate these replies

Jaded Puma

@aeva And the pronunciation doesn't even have to change XD

Off The Books

@aeva size vector? Eliminate potential ambiguity over mapping to the dimensions.

groxx

@aeva can we also change to "heigth" for consistency?

Nazo

@aeva Good idea, but people will fight over the pronunciation of the 'G', so maybe it should be an 'H' to just make things more confusing and fun instead.

David L

@aeva it took me an embarrassing amount of time to spot the difference

Woodswalked

@aeva
I don’t remember if it was 1st or 2nd grade, but this seemed right to me then.

I could adapt to this easier than the many abominations such as “thru.”

Spicy Potato

@aeva @overeducatedredneck Yes!

Also, "up" to "up", and "right" to "rite", so all four cardinal directions can be 4 characters!

Colin Gourlay

@aeva @Meyerweb look, if we’re going that far, let’s rename “height” to “heigth”

Eric A. Meyer

@aeva @colingourlay Ironic, given that tomorrow morning I’ll be exiting Wisconsin!

̶s̶e̶t̶h̶ ̶ ̶

@aeva May I suggest wideth:
wideth
height
length

And if you program in fraktur it really helps to bring home that ye-olde look.

𝖛𝖆𝖗 𝔴𝔦𝔡𝔢𝔱𝔥 = "XXXVI𝔭𝔵";
𝖛𝖆𝖗 𝔥𝔢𝔦𝔤𝔥𝔱 = "XXIV𝔭𝔵";

...

Dzso

@aeva Also for consistency with cursed English spelling rules.

Brian Swetland

@aeva I'm thinking "wideness", "tallness", and "deepness" could be fun too.

Cavyherd

@aeva

& then you could abbreviate them "wid", "hei", & "len," & confuse the crap out of everybody, because those actually makes more sense than they should.

of nothing
@aeva and for the other dimension, depght?
GeePawHill

@aeva Gimme the RFC number. Will endorse.

oldherl

@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place But they spell differently. Should be changed to wength, hength, length etc.

Oblomov

@aeva yes please. While we're at it, can we rename height to heigth? Those two letters being swapped is beyond frustrating, especially for non-native speakers

Michael Wolf

@aeva can we have "heiht" and "lenth" instead

Frank Hightower

@aeva OMG this has bothered me for the longest time!

The Turtle

@aeva sorry, no time for signing a petition, I'm hard at work on my new employee re-gruntler.

Fabian Giesen

@lritter @aeva apropos of nothing, take long-existing English words, pronounce every letter with "gh" as German "ch" and a lot becomes clear

night -> nicht -> nacht
light -> licht
knight -> knicht -> knecht
enough -> enuch -> genug
laughter -> lauchter -> (ge)lächter
daughter -> dauchter -> dochter/tochter [see also dottir etc.]
weight -> weicht -> (ge)wicht
right -> richt ((ge)recht, richtig, ...)
neighbor -> neichbor -> nachbar
sight -> sicht

etc.

@lritter @aeva apropos of nothing, take long-existing English words, pronounce every letter with "gh" as German "ch" and a lot becomes clear

night -> nicht -> nacht
light -> licht
knight -> knicht -> knecht
enough -> enuch -> genug
laughter -> lauchter -> (ge)lächter
daughter -> dauchter -> dochter/tochter [see also dottir etc.]
weight -> weicht -> (ge)wicht
right -> richt ((ge)recht, richtig, ...)
neighbor -> neichbor -> nachbar
sight -> sicht

Fabian Giesen

@lritter @aeva it's all those Germanic-root words with the ch sound Modern English no longer really has. Back when English orthography crystallized that old pronunciation was already on the way out but it's still the root of all those spellings of words that are now hella confusing because they have little to do with how they're actually said out loud today.

aeva

@rygorous @lritter what! is german just a substitution cipher, a few deleted spaces, and substantially less french?!

Leonard Ritter

@aeva @rygorous der mond
die sonne

(very rare in a lang that the sun is feminine)

aeva

@rygorous @lritter I feel like I probably would have had a better shot at not failing german class if I knew this back in school

Leonard Ritter

@aeva @rygorous well there's still the grammar which is abysmal. iirc german used to have much simpler grammar until the romans inspired changes in conjugation

aeva

@lritter @rygorous I always get the feeling that language just gets worse over time, but I can't ever tell if that's actually the case or just the third hand opinions from linguists. like what do they know they weren't there either

Fabian Giesen

@aeva @lritter like the whole chain shift is a fun curiosity when you see it written but considering it's an actual systematic change in pronunciation that happened fairly consistently throughout the first millenium BC, where therefore speakers must have fairly consistently drifted in their phonetics across a fairly large region, is just bizarre to think about

Leonard Ritter

@rygorous @aeva globally we're also drifting away from "english with an accent" towards various legit alternative vernaculars; various versions of pidgin english, and jamaican as a mature offspring. which has traceable irish roots. :)

Janne Moren

@aeva @rygorous @lritter
It's really just Swedish but without the beautiful intonation.

R💽nflaix

@rygorous @lritter @aeva thanks for pointing it out! It had never made so much sense until now!

James Widman

@aeva @lritter why is no one talking about þe mouþfeel

James Widman

@lritter @aeva i just noticed that if you rotate þ clockwise 90 degrees it kinda looks like that (the curvy part of "þ" kinda looks like the tongue sticking out and the vertical line represents the teeth)

bricks

@aeva no, can‘t do. This would result in an additional word that sounds too similar: which, witch, widght

Zacky Ma :favicon:

@aeva if I saw a library used “lat”/“long” instead of “lat”/“lng”, I’d instantly start looking elsewhere.

Adrian

@aeva Or, define objects only by:

x = width
y = height
z = depth

Erwan 🚄

@aeva then height to heigth for consistency of the last 3 letters ?

Oscar Baechler

@aeva Dis is de hite of good ideas rite hyr

aeva

@uep we don't have to standardize that can be the weird uk spelling

Whitney Loblaw

@aeva or maybe phonetically constant with width hight lenth depth girth

aeva

@stragu and pass up the opportunity for girdth? I think not

FiveSeventeen

@aeva but then you'd need to rename depth too...

FiveSeventeen

@aeva

To my way of thinking Length and Height are a happy pair, fitting together so well. And Width and Depth too, just another happy pair.

Of course, if you want a menage a trois, and leave poor old Depth out in the cold, looking in and wishing....

aeva

@bitshifter too bible sounding for my taste but some people are into it

Friedrich Hartmann

@aeva why nhot just add another rhandom h?
whidth
rhythm
Wheigt

Micha Silver

@aeva While you're at it, how about "heigth"? 😂.
Cosistency all the way.

Space Hobo Actual

@aeva
Why not formalise that thing people do when they say "heighth"?
@ReticentTurnip

Dek 👨‍🚀🐧🚀 (

@aeva what about a font ligature that will span width an extra character when the word width is found?

Eivind

@aeva I second this, and also ask again that we reintroduce ð and þ to the English language. In ðat case, ðe words become widgþ, height and lengþ.

(I'm sorry and will show myself out.)

AndyDearden

@aeva No! I shall not sign your petition! I've always thought that the width was the smaller dimension, so I reject the consistency argument. PS: I try to avoid squares.

I Forget

@aeva Oh, you mean the six degres of fredom: height, length, dephgt, picthg, yawhtg, and roltgh? /* clasic unifrm spelng */

Paul-Jan

@aeva this convention would replace a lot of unnecessary size.x/y/z structs in my code.

Ian K Tindale

@aeva also, what’s going on with “twelve” and “twelfth”

fsniper

@aeva And no one bats an eye for the order of th/ht? Drop the g and h al together! heit lent widt weit and be done with it!

Si Dawson

@aeva @airshipper That’s SO nerdy. I absolutely adore it.

chato gpt

@aeva counter-proposal: width, heith, lenth

Residual Entropy

@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place fr this drives me nuts ​:neocat_googly_shocked:​

JimmyChezPants

@aeva

It makes more sense than the rest of the English language, really.

Andy Wootton

@aeva You'll be hearing from the lawyers of 1970s programmers for wasting characters like that.

anne.💫

@aeva This tickles my linguistic funny bone so danged much. :)

Developing Stacy :pico8:

@aeva

Alternative suggestion:

Replace length width and height in variable names with long wide and high.

This will however limit the languages which you can work in.

Wexx

@aeva this is definitely something I've hallucinated after looking at all of those words for so long they don't look like words anymore, thank you for making it make sense

westbrook

@aeva seems like a nice custom monospace coding font could manage this for you via a ligature? Make one of the characters duospaced to taste…

Richard Loxley

@aeva I’d prefer length/hength/wength or height/leight/weight or width/hidth/lidth

hoping_for_novelty

@aeva ah so that's why English spelling is Like That

Kirtai

@aeva
I code in proportional fonts.

Take that heretic :neocat_evil:

Sphagnum

@aeva Oh, I love this thread, thank you.

Dale Trexel

@aeva Alternatively, we could have "width", "heith", and "lenth" to save characters all around while preserving pronunciation (at least for some).

aeva

if we get 100_000 boosts on this petition toot in under 30 days the obama administration has to weigh in on it

mhoye

@aeva

If we really cared about consistency we'd align on both digits and also suffix consistency. Clearly, we need length, widgth and heigth.

Paul G

@aeva
Countered with : "wide, "high" and "long" please.

mercurial yapper

@aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place I'm trying to say widght out loud and it sounds very Arabic to me

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