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Zelda 👑

@davidgerard is anyone using Proton mail to send spam anyway? I understand their attempt at a justification but I cannot imagine the users asked for or appreciate it

Ryan Fisher

@brhfl
@sertaptap @davidgerard

Well ... A "writing assistant" is what an LLM is, no?

bri

@wryanfisher @sertaptap @davidgerard yes and only 29% of respondents gave a shit despite the entire survey being geared around it.

Ryan Fisher

@brhfl
@sertaptap @davidgerard

The two blog posts by the actual ML head at Proton seem a bit more circumspect than the hype.

I thought the post on using LLMs in a privacy-focused design was at least thoughtful and had a lot of interesting information in it.
proton.me/blog/how-to-build-pr

The announcement post on Scribe does point out that the whole thing can be run local etc. It also seems likely they are trying to work out the future of the product with some of the more advanced privacy ideas like homomorphic encryption (an idea which still hurts my brain).
proton.me/blog/proton-scribe-w

@brhfl
@sertaptap @davidgerard

The two blog posts by the actual ML head at Proton seem a bit more circumspect than the hype.

I thought the post on using LLMs in a privacy-focused design was at least thoughtful and had a lot of interesting information in it.
proton.me/blog/how-to-build-pr

bri

@wryanfisher my takeaway was more 'damn that's a lot of resources spent on something less than a third of your customers give a shit about' but w/e. was just here to relay the survey info, i already know i'm not giving them any more of my money.

Ryan Fisher

@brhfl

I think that's a totally fair reaction.

I feel like the opt-in affirmative action to enable it on a per use basis mitigates a lot of the privacy issues for me, though. For the writing assistant, at least. The LLM is not training itself on your mail corpus I don't think.

Rams Horn Studios

@brhfl @sertaptap @davidgerard

I just submitted a ticket through their mobile app that I will cancel my service with them if they don't remove it.

Juan :vim:

@davidgerard fucking hell man. Between this and Fastmail being anti-union we truly can’t have anything good

Jake 🇵🇸

@jhbabon @davidgerard is it really? Looks like I’m dumping my fastmail account

Mikal with a k

@davidgerard

Just fucking yesterday a friend and I were talking about migrating away from gmail and everything else google and I told her about Protonmail, saying that is going to be my choice and...oh jeezusfuckinghellchristonastick why can't we have nice things for once? Just for once?

Anyone know if Tuta has jumped on the AI stupidity bandwagon? They were/are my second option, but they look much better now.

Ryan Fisher

@Mikal
@davidgerard

Was also literally just thinking it's time to complete my move to ProtonMail from Google because of all the privacy team shake up at G... Now what do?

This is super disappointing.

Ryan Fisher

@Mikal
@davidgerard

Maybe less disappointing to me after reading the blog post from the actual ML head, rather than the community manager.

proton.me/blog/proton-scribe-w

DefaultKevin

@davidgerard On the other hand, they've had 'Proton Sentinel' as an opt-in for a while, which has this blurb:

"Proton Sentinel is an advanced account protection program powered by sophisticated AI systems and specialists working around the clock to protect you from bad actors and security threats.

Public figures, journalists, executives, and others who may be the target of cyber attacks are highly encouraged to enable Proton Sentinel."

proton.me/support/proton-senti

left-wing math nerd

@davidgerard that is surprising, given how enthusiastic their users are about privacy

Vickie 🇨🇦 😷🏳️‍🌈

@davidgerard husband and I were very seriously thinking we would pay for their mail service, happy we didn't jump on it...guess we will wait and see what comes of this.

Kern Jackson

@davidgerard that’s disappointing as I was planning on switching to Proton Mail in the very near future.

Action Jay 🐾 :CApride:

@davidgerard I took part in that survey and was put off that they were even considering it. Hopefully when the fad washes over and nobody finds any actual usefulness out of it, it'll be scrapped

Richie Rich

@davidgerard Another service to avoid in the future.

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