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damien

@mcc for completeness' sake, i found a Reddit thread where ppl raised an issue about that 'feature'

- reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/
- in which a Mozilla dev commented and sent an explainer about the feature that Mozila has on Github. I haven't read it yet but i figure it'd be useful to read for people who care about that github.com/mozilla/explainers/

13 July at 0:08 | Wall-to-wall | Open on octodon.social
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demize

@Eramdam @mcc having given it a quick read I think I agree with andi here more than I did before I read the explainer

like... I guess the intentions are good? but they're coming from a position of "we need to make the web more useful to advertisers" and that's an inherently bad position, and any intentions you have that come from it are also inherently bad, ultimately

we need to stop capitulating to advertisers and investors. the stance mozilla seems to have taken as late, of "we need to show everyone else how this can be done responsibly, because they're doing it irresponsibly" is one I reject outright and this solution only makes sense if you accept that stance

@Eramdam @mcc having given it a quick read I think I agree with andi here more than I did before I read the explainer

like... I guess the intentions are good? but they're coming from a position of "we need to make the web more useful to advertisers" and that's an inherently bad position, and any intentions you have that come from it are also inherently bad, ultimately

13 July at 0:23 | Open on unstable.systems
damien

@demize @mcc for clarity i wasn't saying andi is wrong. Just adding onto the thread for ppl who might have found that interesting + I feel the explainer is more technical than whatever copy Mozilla uses in their support documentation.

13 July at 0:27 | Open on octodon.social
damien replied to damien

@demize @mcc *personally* don't care much, i disabled the feature but i have a pihole/ublock set up so whatever 'non-private' tracking may happen in a result of that is probably not very useful to anybody (and i wouldnt see the ads fed off said tracking lol)

That said, even despite all that I'll stick to Firefox for a while because, like, I'm concerned about the engine homogeneity and sadly Firefox is basically my only option.

Safari on macOS could be an option but I need Windows support and the extensions story still sucks there if you want niche stuff.

I might change my tune when/if Firefox becomes less customisable than it is and "it's not Blink/WebKit" is the only argument but thankfully we're not there yet.

And I guess I'm also married to Tab Containers, every other browser's really wants me to use whole-ass profiles and that's just overkill and clunky imo lol

@demize @mcc *personally* don't care much, i disabled the feature but i have a pihole/ublock set up so whatever 'non-private' tracking may happen in a result of that is probably not very useful to anybody (and i wouldnt see the ads fed off said tracking lol)

That said, even despite all that I'll stick to Firefox for a while because, like, I'm concerned about the engine homogeneity and sadly Firefox is basically my only option.

13 July at 0:35 | Open on octodon.social
demize replied to damien

@Eramdam @mcc yeah. I’m not thrilled with Mozilla here but I still think they’re the only good option that’s not just Chromium wearing a hat, and Google is throwing their weight around threatening even worse stuff with Chrome :/

13 July at 4:56 | Open on unstable.systems
Fazal Majid replied to damien

@Eramdam @demize @mcc no, this won’t protect you because in the incredibly deceptively named “privacy sandbox”, your browser itself becomes the ad network that tracks your interests and matches them against ads, no external server needed, and not something your firewall can protect against.

13 July at 8:10 | Open on social.vivaldi.net
mcc

@Eramdam I am definitely interested in technical details if only so I can criticize it more precisely

13 July at 0:34 | Open on mastodon.social
Craig Nicol

@Eramdam @mcc so, they're doing it so Meta doesn't lose another $10bn from ad blockers?

> Meta famously reported USD10 billion of losses as a result of Apple’s Ad Tracking Transparency feature, which resulted in them being unable to perform attribution for a sizable portion of iPhone users.
>
> Our assessment is that these benefits justify the costs.

(Benefit is that Meta doesn't lose more money, cost is that they can track you better, even though Firefox has the Facebook Container, to block Facebook tracking you on non-Facebook sites 🤔 )

@Eramdam @mcc so, they're doing it so Meta doesn't lose another $10bn from ad blockers?

> Meta famously reported USD10 billion of losses as a result of Apple’s Ad Tracking Transparency feature, which resulted in them being unable to perform attribution for a sizable portion of iPhone users.
>
> Our assessment is that these benefits justify the costs.

13 July at 9:45 | Open on octodon.social
Petherfile

@Eramdam @mcc ugh, I can't say I like Mozilla's "end-user benefits" justification *at all*.

How did the original intent of capitalism of "businesses that don't provide what the consumer wants/needs should fail and those that do provide it succeed" become perverted into "we should do things the consumer doesn't want to make sure these existing businesses don't fail". I don't know what else I can get out of their statement...

13 July at 11:46 | Open on neurodifferent.me
Joviko Wi

@Eramdam @mcc

Any hint that they're going to pull (or are already pulling) similar shenanigans with Thunderbird?

[Starts looking for more privacy-centric email clients]

13 July at 14:10 | Open on spacey.space
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