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Agarwal's Twitter Dream

@mybarkingdogs @ernie Abolish it moreso than what it is maybe? I could buy that ideology

Dial Tone *biiiiip*

@Agrawals_1_Twitter_Dream @mybarkingdogs @ernie I'd be happy to start with disallowing any form of bargaining away or transferring an artist's right to their own work for any reason, for all art, including newer media like video games.

Start with.

Archnemysis

@sillyCoelophysis @Agrawals_1_Twitter_Dream @mybarkingdogs @ernie This would completely destroy all publishing. Every artist would have to self publish their own work instead of sell the publishing rights. And by self publish, I mean own the printing presses and distribution channels, everything. No Amazon self publishing if they can’t bargain their rights. And who would want to buy a book or painting if that didn’t come with the right to possess that work?

Archnemysis

@SludgePhD @sillyCoelophysis @Agrawals_1_Twitter_Dream @mybarkingdogs @ernie correct. But to do that you have now removed the “transfer rights … for any reason”. My point here is that absolutes and easy answers are not the answer. Even in your scenario you are using the force of government, essentially eminent domain, to take away an artists right to sell their IP. That devalues their work and ability to find ways to profit from it.

Archnemysis

@SludgePhD @sillyCoelophysis @Agrawals_1_Twitter_Dream @mybarkingdogs @ernie The way I see it, the problem is the coercive transfer of rights not the ability to transfer those rights. I am glad Dolly Parton was wise enough not to relinquish those rights early on. I wish Taylor Swift could have done the same thing, but am glad she is now wealthy enough to reclaim those rights.

Dial Tone *biiiiip*

@SludgePhD @Archnemysis @Agrawals_1_Twitter_Dream @mybarkingdogs @ernie
Right.

I'm trying to imagine a bookstore full of books, but they all just say "not for sale." 😄

Delric

@mybarkingdogs @ernie absolish all copyright? so if i spend years writing a book, somebody else should be able to copy and sell it for profit? yeah what kind of drugs are you on, pass em around

Ji Fu

you don't have to be a drugs. This is a fairly standard position. IF they claimed they wrote it, or if they claimed you approved it, that would be fraud and should be processed as such. But if I were to present "@delric's book presented by @Fu" that is a morally legitimate move. If I happen to be better at publishing, marketing, etc. and the market prefers my version so be it. However historically being first to market is the most important point in determining which is preferred by the market.

Jelle Haandrikman

@Fu @delric It's the same if I slave away on a piece of software or report. After 2 years it loses its value and nobody cares.

Amikke

@Fu that's hilarious. You are preferred by the market since you only need to cover publishing costs, while the author has to cover publishing costs and the pay for actually writing the book. So you have more resources due to stealing their book, so you can get the same thing out of the door cheaper and/or better, so you win every time unless you somehow manage to fuck that up anyway.

To work, the market requires some enforcement of property. This includes intellectual property. Period.

@delric

Laetizia 'Tish' Coronet

@mybarkingdogs @ernie Yeah let's throw away the only thing that stands between the Elon Musks of this world and the work of countless smalltime artists.

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