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We're excited to share a preview of a Framework Laptop with a new CPU architecture today, and it's not the one you probably think it is. DeepComputing is creating the first partner-developed Mainboard, and it's powered by a RISC-V processor!

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DeepComputing is showing an early demo of the new RISC-V Mainboard at the RISC-V Summit in Munich next week. This board uses a StarFiveTech JH7110 with SiFive RISC-V CPU cores. DeepComputing is also working closely with the teams at Ubuntu and Fedora on Linux support.

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This Mainboard drops directly into any existing Framework Laptop 13, and is aimed at enabling developers, tinkerers, and hobbyists to start testing and creating on RISC-V. In this generation, it isn't directly optimized for end-consumer usage.

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You can sign up in our Marketplace to get notified when we have updates on availability of the RISC-V Mainboard:
frame.work/products/deep-compu

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In case you're wondering what it looks like, here is an early peek at prototype board bring-up on Debian.

Anachron :void:

@frameworkcomputer you're going fullspeed into the future. I love it!

kainisenni

@frameworkcomputer
ALT-text: A loose laptop screen displaying the Debian desktop connected to a loose laptop PCB without a cooler.

kainisenni

@frameworkcomputer I love the flex of showing it without any cooler

Angelo

@frameworkcomputer i see a SIM card. Shut up and take my money!

preterist

@frameworkcomputer This is very exciting, I'm looking forward to this

Beat

@frameworkcomputer The command shutdown can be found at /usr/sbin/shutdown. Default users on @debian don't have sbin in their PATH variable, but root does.
I often use `systemctl poweroff`.

Worik

@frameworkcomputer when can I get one?

"Not available in your region" WTF?

Mike :debian:

@frameworkcomputer I recommend sudo for running shutdown. ;)

Which kernel is this booting - stock Debian, or a starfive or visionfive2 tree?

mcc

@frameworkcomputer This is exciting!

I'm trying to figure out if there is a GPU or GPU equivalent on this. It looks like the JH7110 serves at least some of the purposes of a GPU?

EDIT: I am having a little trouble navigating the vendor site but a third party says the GPU is an Imagination BXE-4-32? Is this correct?

Linh Pham

@mcc @frameworkcomputer I'm not sure if the third-party site you mentioned links to the product brief, this one is from rvspace(dot)org. It does confirm the BXE-4-32.

doc-en.rvspace.org/JH7110/PDF/

Linh Pham

@mcc @frameworkcomputer No prob! I was looking at what the potential options are for USB and PCIe expansion and ran across the brief earlier this morning.

I've seen the specs on the JH7100, but that uses a dual-core CPU along with a BXE-2-32 GPU, if I remember correctly.

Daniel aka CyReVolt 🐒

@qlp @mcc @frameworkcomputer
The JH7110 has a GPU from Imagination, and the open source drivers have been imaginary for a very long while.
The RISC-V community is rather unhappy about that.
So far, Imagination focused on other GPUs.

See also:
imaginationtech.com/news/imagi
doc-en.rvspace.org/VisionFive2

Meg

@mcc @frameworkcomputer it's the same SoC as the VisionFive 2, I think. So anything you can find about that is probably approximately correct.

The soc definitely has a GPU, but it's nothing amazing. Neither are the cpu cores for that matter.

mcc

@megmac Honestly not even interested in whether it's good, just is it there and does it conform to any particular standard

Meg

@mcc yeah there should be binary blob kms/dri drivers for Linux at the very least for it I'm pretty sure. The chipset's been out for a while and there's a bunch of more or less sketchy products built around it now.

Jonathan β€˜theJPster’ Pallant

@frameworkcomputer oh no. I wish you better luck than the BeagleV Starlight had with its JH7100. I recall one particular issue was that the HDMI output was stuck at some ridiculously low refresh rate that hardly any monitors could handle.

Pol Dellaiera

@frameworkcomputer Wouhou RISC-V architecture !! A new chapter begins!

ljΒ·rk

@frameworkcomputer Yup, definitely not what I expected but already signed up for some risc-v goodness, it almost fell as if that ISA was dead already!

Dr. Quadragon ❌

@frameworkcomputer OH SHIT I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!

YOU DO MORE OF THIS! X86 MUST DIE! RISC-V WILL PREVAIL!

Forst

Okay, this is actually really exciting! RISC-V for the masses? @frameworkcomputer

C.B.Leslie

@frameworkcomputer Just the thought that I could have a RISC-V board in a laptop chassis that's not total garbage makes me so happy.

Dawid Rejowski

@frameworkcomputer

> and it's not the one you probably think it is

You got me here πŸ˜….
Exciting announcement!

CollateralDamage

@frameworkcomputer
I would say I predicted this, but I never let myself believe it would _actually_ happen.

Holy shit.
Oh, this is going to be GREAT!

Bart Nijbakker

@frameworkcomputer
Sweeeeeeeeeet!

#arm is fun and all, but its proprietary nature is... questionable at best. #riscv however seems very promising. Can't wait until this is stable enough!

Keep up the good work, my friends. Exciting times ahead!

Greg Brooks

@sylv @frameworkcomputer Yes. This is the same chip that was in the VisionFive 2 over 18 months ago. Important first step, I guess.

Greg Brooks

@sylv @frameworkcomputer The manual says it can be enabled (edit: for memory reads). The pdf manual made in 2019-2021.

Edit: dual-issue, in-order pipeline

The youtube channel Explaining Computers reviewed Debian on the VisionFive 2 in January 2023. youtube.com/watch?v=ykKnc86UtX

socketwench

@frameworkcomputer This makes me wonder if you could also offer a RISC-V Single Board Computer/Pi-alike.

ChiefGyk3D

@frameworkcomputer well that's awesome! I sent a request to review it because my community has been hammering me for some time to review your products. RISC-V seems like a great move forward as it is the future of CPU computing IMHO.

ChiefGyk3D

@alphasixtyfive I'm aware, but I wanted to review Framework as well, I've already covered a ton of Pine64 products.

Alexey

@chiefgyk3d I have an 11 gen Intel 13 inch Framework and I'm loving it. I wish I waited for AMD though.

Gregor Niehl

@frameworkcomputer Niceee!!! I always love what you guys do! Can't wait for the RISC-V board πŸ‘€

justsoup

@frameworkcomputer

This is the best news I have heard all year!

Farooq Karimi Zadeh

@frameworkcomputer

Well I was sure thinking about RISC-V. BTW, use the hashtags!

Gloopsies :fedora:

@frameworkcomputer

While this generation is probably not going to be for me, I can't wait to be able to upgrade my existing AMD 13 to RISC-V once it starts being too weak for my needs (that is probably not going to happen for a long time tho)

shac ron β‚ͺβ€Ž

@frameworkcomputer Your website literally doesn’t scroll in Safari, neither in iOS nor macOS.

FCLC

@shac @frameworkcomputer it seems fine in iOS on an iPhone13 running 17.5.1?

shac ron β‚ͺβ€Ž

@fclc @frameworkcomputer Strange. I had to switch to chrome to be able to use it.

scrottie (he/him/they)

@frameworkcomputer Everyone is begging, crying, screaming, fighting, bribing, anything for a graphics card. I've been buying Steam games I can't play for more than 10 years now. And meanwhile we get bitcoin mining rigs and fake AI. Shitcoin mining being an excuse to stop making graphics cards is just tragic. I'd love a solid RISC-V laptop but I can't help think these tech fads are part just artificial scarcity to inflate semiconductor prices. So probably buying a Steam Deck...

scrottie (he/him/they)

can I get one of these without the fake-AI garbage? Can we go back to CUDA doing stuff, and some games, as a treat? Android and the PowerVR 3D graphics architecture or whatever it is now is absolutely dominating computer (loosely interpreted sales) because of games and people don't think maybe *that* means something?

scrottie (he/him/they)

Also sure seems like people hate matrix-autocomplete even more than they hated bored apes at about this stage of the hype bubble.

Daniel aka CyReVolt 🐒

@frameworkcomputer Do you intend to support @oreboot and #LinuxBoot? Get in touch with me if so.

And have you solved the power management issues with the JH7110, i.e. suspend to RAM or even to NVMe?

Stargazer Alpha

@frameworkcomputer And so begins the realization of a meta-platform from which many, many companies could build their own ecosystem through their own designed hardware and software stack.

This is where being first to market actually matters. There won't be a good reason to build your own modular platform when someone else already does it for you, which allows you to outsource all the boring parts. For as long as the parts are quality, Framework will never be unseated.

Alexey Skobkin

@frameworkcomputer
Wow. Just wow.
Didn't expect this from you at all!
πŸ‘

ozamidas

@frameworkcomputer Mannnn this is just the best.

Finally great hardware initiatives being pushed by the GNU/Linux community.

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