Gregory's Server> We're talking about straight up intended spam
I'm glad that we're finally coming to understanding what "abuse" is.
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 @BigFoxBoss There's a very visible difference between just having a lot of posts referenced naturally, and just cramming every post in the reference field - much like with mentions. @BigFoxBoss @ / iliazeus@lor.sh @mittorn Also, I just remembered: reply does not get you a notification. Mention does. @BigFoxBoss That's why @iliazeus didn't get a notification on previous post. @BigFoxBoss No, he *will* get a reply. What he's not getting is *notification*. @iliazeus can still load the thread and see it intact. @BigFoxBoss Oh, really. I clearly see a very different picture, madam :D @BigFoxBoss What I'm saying is, in order for it to be useful for spam, you'd need both a reference and a mention.  @drq @BigFoxBoss @iliazeus but we talking about cross-references. If someone's single reply will be drawing in 100500 different places, even if it will be deleted fast, many people will see this annoying message. And without mention even more, that post may be shown as reply without notification, so would not be deleted immideately @drq @iliazeus @mittorn @BigFoxBoss Embrace impermanence. And by the way, while we're on the topic of broken threads, may be someone will eventually learn to utilize goddamn tombstones for once. For fuck's sake, they're RIGHT THERE IN THE SPEC https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#dfn-tombstone @drq @iliazeus @mittorn > > Social networks are disposable by design. > Embrace impermanence. So, is it organizing and notekeeping or constantly losing them on a social network? :blobfoxgooglymlem: Also @mittorn brought up some points regarding searching on timelines and dying instances earlier. @BigFoxBoss As ever: it's both the same process. A good archive will allow to remove data as painlessly as to add it, as long as it's intentional. > Fedi and AP were not built with archive functionality in mind. The Web was. And Fedi is web. > You can't expect some random person to keep an instance going forever. That's not what I'm expecting. That's not what archive means either. > Keeping useful info ... is just up to you personally. As is everything under the Sun. @BigFoxBoss And the Library of Alexandria burned up. But we're still doing libraries. Some of which also burn up. Same difference. @BigFoxBoss I oppose this being a defining characteristic. There's nothing special about social networks, or the Web being impermanent. @BigFoxBoss the Fediverse also doesn't end with microblogging. It's much more general. @BigFoxBoss Dunno, Pixelfed mostly federates okay. I'm toying with idea of making something like Livejournal or rather Liveinternet for Fedi. Someone should just go out and do it. @drq @iliazeus @mittorn At least they advertise themselves as "Blog first". Wordpress has an AP plugin too. There are not much platforms which would qualfy as actual blogs/diaries ala Livejournal/Liveinternet. @BigFoxBoss It does, but it's so stripped of features, it doesn't even support comments and interactions. And those *are* important. There also was Plume, but it was... weird. It certainly wasn't effective. I'm aware of the Wordpress plugin, but Wordpress is such a legacy at this point, and much of their plugins have very little to do with the software's intended purpose. They should have introduced the federation earlier, It may have saved it as a blogging platform. @BigFoxBoss I think, it's *actually* lack of federation that did it in. What's the point writing a standalone blog, when nobody can comment on it without registering (which nobody will)? I killed mine with the same motivation, having written for it for 5 years or so. And there were some fucking elaborate posts in there, what a waste. @BigFoxBoss My point is not longform blogging being not easily digestible. My point is standalone infrastructure being obtuse and not easily interactable without federation, there's no community. As for "everything became social network", well... The first proper social network was Livejournal - there were friend subscriptions in there, as the prominent feature. And it was longform blogging platform, also the first one. So, always has been. @BigFoxBoss But what if your main niche is just you and your homies? It's VERY hard to convince people to register on your website so they could interact with just your and their posts, even if they're your friends. @BigFoxBoss I'm not an imbecile, I know what instant messaging is, and I remember ICQ. I had a 6-digit number. I'm talking strictly about social blogging. Only that. Not other platforms/protocols/whatever. Social networking/social blogging is easy to do when you're on the same website, and nigh impossible to do if you're standalone. Unless there's federation. Then it's not as easy as the same website, but suddenly - it's doable. @BigFoxBoss Centralization around Disqus notwithstanding, yeeah, kinda. It's a crawl compared to what we have with Fedi now, though, when you just click "follow" and boom, subscribed. @drq @iliazeus @mittorn Also, I heard that tumblr is integrating with AP, so they may join fedi, but no further news on that yet still. @BigFoxBoss They've been promising this for quite a while now. @drq @BigFoxBoss @iliazeus but listing all thread to find some reply is little difficult and it's very unlikely |
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@mittorn talked about how thiis feature might end up abusive. I talk how a person using it may not realise it was abusive without intending to abuse. In the end, it's feature itself that is flawed and user should not be prosecuted for its shortcomings.
Intentional e-mail spam is a dfferent matter