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@philheppenstall worm included. In fact, I think there's another one or two in the mandalorian. Not sure if it's the same animal as in The Return of the Jedi. @jesusmargar the Saarlac? Boba Fett is rescued from it, so definitely the same one. @jesusmargar yep. Lucas pinched ideas from a lot of places. Sooner watch Star Wars than Dune but it isnโt like you have to choose just one.  @philheppenstall @jesusmargar So, you're saying just watch Star Wars and save yourself a whole lot of time (and money). @smurthys @jesusmargar see the thing is the prophesied saviour is the Prequel Trilogy and Iโd sooner watch Dune than that. @jesusmargar @philheppenstall It was indeed, this screenshot is from a musk โtweetโ quoting a Quora post (with zero acknowledgement of the source, to boot) https://www.quora.com/Is-Dune-just-a-cheap-ripoff-of-Star-Wars/answer/Franklin-Veaux?ch=17&oid=1477743749195978&share=e359a30a&srid=3TzPq&target_type=answer  @jesusmargar Hey, @lowqualityfacts theyโre coming for your gig! Youโd better step up your game. @jesusmargar @lowqualityfacts If you donโt know, you donโt know, but if youโre looking for some low quality facts, give them a follow.  Star Wars is an EVEN cheaper rip off of the book "A Hero With A Thousand Faces" by Dr. Joseph Campbell.  @jesusmargar Joseph Campbell spent most of his life showing that all human stories are really the same. Dune and Star Wars ARE the same story, two of countless versions of The Hero's Journey. So are Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, the latter more proudly affirming its roots. Like Campbell, Tolkien understood all this. Lucas really didn't, but he did know that he was rehashing old human stories. Most of Star Wars is a sci-fi remake of The Hidden Fortress, which also wasn't wholly original. @wesdym there are stories with collective protagonists that are not like this. E.g. Cela's La Colmena and, to a lower extent, GoT or The Wire.  @wesdym @jesusmargar Star Wars also took a lot of little details from Valerian and Laureline:  @wesdym @jesusmargar The major problem with that thesis is that - unlike Luke Skywalker - Paul Atreides is very much not a hero. Kind of the point of the first few books: despite his best efforts he still ends up being a genocidal monster with the blood of billions on his hands, and infinitely worse than the Emperors and Harkonnens that preceded him. He is only a hero in the sense that he can see this outcome and tries to prevent it happening. Yet fails miserably. @JonnyT @wesdym A spoiler is an element of a disseminated summary or description of a media narrative that reveals significant plot elements, with the implication that the experience of discovering the plot naturally, as the creator intended it, has been robbed of its full effect. Typically, the conclusion of a plot, including the climax and ending, is regarded as highly susceptible to spoilers. Plot twists are also prone to spoilers. Any narrative medium can produce spoilers, althou  @JonnyT @wesdym @jesusmargar Must ponder. I think I would argue that they are different types of heroes from different genres. Luke is a Buster Crabbe Saturday morning serial hero. Paul is a deeply literary hero. There's really no fit comparing, and the new Dune movie doesn't really move Paul into Luke's vapid and superficial contextual criteria. Too, Luke wouldn't exist without Paul. It's utter ignorance to try to put them on the same scale, like judging Richard III against Deadpool.  @wesdym @jesusmargar Joseph Campbell is an absolute racist, sexist hack and his bullshit "hero's journey/monomyth" only applies to one specific form of white, colonial storytelling https://talesoftimesforgotten.com/2020/12/31/the-heros-journey-is-nonsense/ https://freerange.com/blog/joseph-campbell-history-and-antisemitism-critiquing-the-heros-journey @wesdym @jesusmargar The Idea Campbell showed "all human stories are the same" does not bear close examination. @jesusmargar funny explained, didn't know the fact with the time machine ๐   @jesusmargar @kkarhan @leftcoastjim You have to be on a instance which supports it, I think. @Lironah @jesusmargar @leftcoastjim yes, #glitchsoc with enabled #markdown editing...  @jesusmargar Morons. @L0RDANGUS I wouldn't know. Took the capture from twitter, they probably took it from elsewhere. My guess is Reddit, can't be bothered to search for it. @L0RDANGUS @jesusmargar no, it was human written but the attribution was chopped off. It was Franklin Veaux on Quora: https://www.quora.com/Is-Dune-just-a-cheap-ripoff-of-Star-Wars/answer/Franklin-Veaux @markgritter @jesusmargar I should have know that Elon was just ripping someone off. @L0RDANGUS @markgritter I copied it from someone else without knowing the source. It is possible that Musk did the same. @jesusmargar I'm pretty sure it was "what if T.E. Lawrence, but in space". So we get a (historical) Space Jihad and Space Bedouins fighting off the evil Ottom...excuse me, Harkonnens. You left out the part where space aliens gave Frank Herbert the plans for a Time Machine. |
@jesusmargar Star Wars is more Lord Of The Rings set in space than Dune, itโs more fantasy.
The Sarlaac pit does look remarkably like a Wormโs mouth though, Iโll give you that.
And โKessell runโ.