pixelfed
Loops is a new platform for sharing short videos, and it's open source + federated using #ActivityPub We're really excited to share this sneak peek that showcases the new onboarding flow and discovery features (Connect Mastodon) and look forward to the upcoming beta release! Are you ready for #Loops ? 60 comments
  
Hänzi Pōtter
@alb_004 @pixelfed why not? Apparently there's a demand (the list you mentioned proves it) but lack of #activitypub #federated alternative in the #fediverse. It's a great step forward 👍
Hänzi Pōtter
@alb_004 @pixelfed I agree with your concern. however, I guess as the other parts of the #fediverse , if it's algorithm-free, the consumption behaviour would be normal. unlike algorithmic-fed induced (addictive) consumption 
TuxOnBike
It will not be algorithm-free: https://mastodon.social/@dansup/112331431372219817 Maybe instances and users can opt out. I did not check that. 
GhostOnTheHalfShell
@TuxOnBike @hszakher @alb_004 @pixelfed This kills my interest in #Loops. People must remain the algorithm, it's the only way to prevent enclosure.
Andy
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @TuxOnBike @hszakher @alb_004 @pixelfed how does that kill your interest if every server has control of it? Make an instance without one. Join one without one. Or join one that facilitates your interests. Kind of a huge gradient there to enjoy whereas none other have that flexibility. I enjoy being able to skim those I follow but I also acknowledge that I don’t always find new things to explore. 🍻
GhostOnTheHalfShell
@LordofCandy @TuxOnBike @hszakher @alb_004 @pixelfed I don’t join servers but follow people and organizations. Proprietary algorithms locked to a specific server is an enclosure. Whoever joins it is now dependent on its properties and loses portability. I would caution per server algorithms are not particularly liberating.
Andy
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @TuxOnBike @hszakher @alb_004 @pixelfed but can’t we say that about everything here? Your host is choosing what servers are going to be federated from, that’s just an enclosure as well. Which is why my first mention was run your own. You can have that control. Therefore you have the full gamut of options, like we expect here.
GhostOnTheHalfShell
@LordofCandy @TuxOnBike @hszakher @alb_004 @pixelfed I recommend looking up what enclosure means. Federation is a matter of simple inspection. People can see the federation graph. Moving house doesn’t entail a loss of function a per platform proprietary bot curator creates. This is why I won’t opt in for it. Plus I don’t sample short content much.
Andy replied to GhostOnTheHalfShell
@GhostOnTheHalfShell @TuxOnBike @hszakher @alb_004 @pixelfed sorry I thought you meant more walled gardens or hidden content. Afaik if you are on a defederated server you’ll never see or hear content outside of that. Can you send a helpful link on enclosure because I’ve done a few vectors of search and am not finding relevance.
GhostOnTheHalfShell replied to Andy
@LordofCandy @TuxOnBike @hszakher @alb_004 @pixelfed What forced the peasants off the commons by making the commons private property. Today, this goes both ways. Proprietary systems present limitations (freedom of movement etc) and options for abuse. Added into the mix is a healthy dose of distaste for machine curated content.
darth_akeda replied to GhostOnTheHalfShell
@GhostOnTheHalfShell this is wrong. You’re trying to make it sound nice as it’s what you agree with. User data & identity are tethered to an instance. Per instance can very much vary as far as functionality so that statement is a fallacy, please do not make things up to fit your narrative.
GhostOnTheHalfShell replied to darth_akeda
Hmmm, people move ship with some regularity within the fediverse. This is the essence of a commons. My basic thesis is that an algorithm in a server is intrinsically different from the algorithm in people’s heads. Even as people move servers the network and the network investment they build up goes with them. People as the basic algorithm is not in the server. It’s in each person’s heads. This is why I choose to avoid algorithm curated platforms. 
Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
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@TuxOnBike @hszakher @pixelfed Proprietary algorithms are "black boxes" whose behavior cannot be fully understood or predicted. This lack of transparency could potentially allow for privacy issues to go undetected. Companies developing proprietary algorithms have business incentives like profit that could potentially come into conflict with user privacy depending on how they are implemented and regulated. #loops
darth_akeda
@alb_004 @TuxOnBike @hszakher @pixelfed who said it’s a black box? It’s per instance and Open Source code and I would imagine it’s optional
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@darth_akeda @TuxOnBike @hszakher @pixelfed Loops is open source, with the exception of the algorithm training data and user data. So exactly it is a blackbox. The training and user data is not open source.
pixelfed
@TuxOnBike @hszakher @alb_004 Opt-out will be possible, and we will have a chronological followers feed you can use instead!
darth_akeda
:blobcatlaptop: gravitos :blobcatcomfsip:
Norbi Peti
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@norbipeti @hszakher @pixelfed when it comes to insta reels or tiktok, it's not only about addiction but also about creepy data collection and managing practices and useless contents to hook their users. But when it comes to fediverse (loops) hope it wont happen. Also the devs provide us alot more control over what we consume on the platform. Also it would be algorithm-free. So we can control the addiction if we want to. ✌️
Brad Rubenstein “:verified:”
> Loops is a new platform for sharing short videos, and it's open source + federated using #ActivityPub God I hope that it has a function for looking at previous/deleted versions of ones video, and the function is labeled Bloops. 
Logick\n λ 🦅
I can block the whole domain, right? I hate #tiktok not because its origin, but because how harmful how short form videos are, which is also applies to musical.ly, YouTube shorts, or vine. 
damon
@logickinlambda Short form video is not harmful, Vine wasn’t harmful. What’s harmful are black box algorithms by central companies that users don’t have any control over. If that’s the case short form text is harmful as we’ve seen with Facebook, Twitter etc but you’re not saying that because it’s a medium you prefer 
Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
@pixelfed Great idea, bring addictive patterns to the fedi and allow every instance to become their own algorithm holder, what could possibly go wrong. Did you learn nothing from how shitty, manipulative and unhealthy corporate media nowadays is Dan? If "choice to move" was a solution to enshittifcation we'd literally see Windows usage tumbling right now and people not buying Samsung devices full of bloat anymore. "Demand" doesn't justify unhealthy products that make the world a worse place.    
Luna Lactea
@pixelfed Is it able to handle posts made by users on other server software? Like can a Loops user see posts made by Mastodon or Misskey users?  
Koen de Jonge - SynQ
@pixelfed please slow down the succession of the slides a little bit, I had to pause that video multiple times because there was not enough time to read the words. 🙏🏻 |
Gregory's Server
@pixelfed OK, I love that the initial rotation is not straight right to left, but on a rotation.