 Even two years on, I still have no idea which direction #Bluesky is intending to go. Though it seems like if they wanted to adopt an existing protocol, they would've already done so. I'll only say that the challenges of building a decentralized social network are anywhere but the actual protocol. Mastodon started on one protocol, then switched to another. Decisions that matter are in product design. Marketing. If they propose a new protocol, what would make it worth resetting all that to zero? 19 comments
@Gargron well, the entire thing was a marketing effect for Twitter, trying to play into the hands of the things that managed to pull away a chunk of users from the site. I'm not part of the communities, but considering even document-wise nothing has happened in the past 8 months it is pretty clear that the decentralization is not an effort Twitter is working towards.  I started Smithereen in autumn of 2019. Bluesky started around first half of 2020. After all this time, and considering my extreme laziness, I have something resembling an actual product. It works, I'm writing this comment from it. What do they have after 2+ years? A bunch of promises and nothing material.  @grishka @Gargron I lold at how they hired ipfs devs for that.
If you don't know ipfs allows to share files in decentralized manner but it sucks. Even if the origin is online, you may have random errors trying to fetch files from it. In fact ipfs without web gateways is absolutely impossible to use. a1ba-nyan, but it's p2p, and unfortunately, in many people's minds, decentralized means p2p and nothing else. a1ba-nyan, twitter's actions don't make sense to me, they don't align with their own vision. In the same 2 years they've been talking about decentralization/federation, they've rolled out the new web version that's full of forced recommendations and dark patterns, and they keep adding new ones, too. And what's the deal with opening up the API Jack promised? Why is it taking so long?  @Gargron I gave up on #Bluesky: the discord is just hundreds of idling crytpobros randomly typing "token when?" I've built a matrix community that gather people who want to build the future of social media. The matrix space gather ~30 projects based on #ActivityPub, the #SecureScuttleButt projects, some social networks based on other protocols: #twtxt, #XMPP, #solid and #Matrix and other projects like @ohn and bluesky I hope people who want to build things will find like-minded people there 🤞    They may end up reusing ActivityStreams for parts that just need a vocabulary, any vocabulary, for social interactions, and parts of ActivityPub adapted to whatever substrate they'll come up with instead of HTTP+DNS.
Kind of like what Zot/6 did with ActivityStreams+Pub, but in whatever direction BlueSky think they need to take this.  @Gargron I'd like to see less "designing the perfect system for one day maybe" and more adoption of Matrix and Mastodon as "the best options available today" People will agree and say "Things should be distributed" on their Twitter account or on Discord but they won't say "...but right now, today, you can go and create an account on Mastodon." @Gargron the aim of BlueSky seems to be to create a decentralized, federated social network that is controlled and monetized by a single entity. In other words, to square a circle. So this is going exactly as well as could be expected. 😉 |
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@Gargron Nooooooo